1 00:00:39,457 --> 00:00:42,165 [narrator] In 1830, Joseph Smith formed 2 00:00:42,165 --> 00:00:45,125 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 3 00:00:45,125 --> 00:00:47,250 During his lifetime, God delivered 4 00:00:47,250 --> 00:00:49,875 more than a hundred commandments to Joseph. 5 00:00:49,875 --> 00:00:51,207 One of these commandments, 6 00:00:51,207 --> 00:00:55,082 recorded by a scribe on July the 12th, 1843, 7 00:00:55,082 --> 00:00:59,207 nearly destroyed Joseph's new religion in its infancy. 8 00:00:59,207 --> 00:01:02,667 Plural marriage was part of what Joseph Smith called 9 00:01:02,667 --> 00:01:04,917 the most holy and important doctrine 10 00:01:04,917 --> 00:01:07,332 revealed to any man on Earth. 11 00:01:07,332 --> 00:01:09,917 Each Mormon male would need at least three wives 12 00:01:09,917 --> 00:01:12,332 to reach the celestial kingdom. 13 00:01:12,332 --> 00:01:16,082 Joseph himself married approximately 40 women. 14 00:01:16,082 --> 00:01:18,250 Thousands of believers followed Smith 15 00:01:18,250 --> 00:01:21,125 on a forced migration across the eastern United States 16 00:01:21,125 --> 00:01:23,332 in search of the American Zion, 17 00:01:23,332 --> 00:01:26,542 eventually settling in Nauvoo, Illinois. 18 00:01:26,542 --> 00:01:31,709 In 1844, Joseph Smith was indicted and jailed for treason. 19 00:01:31,709 --> 00:01:33,082 The governor of Illinois 20 00:01:33,082 --> 00:01:34,959 personally guaranteed his safety, 21 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:36,875 but a mob stormed the jailhouse 22 00:01:36,875 --> 00:01:39,290 and shot Joseph in the back. 23 00:01:39,290 --> 00:01:41,959 As he fell to his death, Joseph shouted, 24 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,040 "Oh, Lord, my God!" 25 00:01:44,875 --> 00:01:47,500 Brigham Young assumed leadership of the church 26 00:01:47,500 --> 00:01:50,332 and led 15,000 saints across the Rocky Mountains 27 00:01:50,332 --> 00:01:52,165 to their new Zion, 28 00:01:52,165 --> 00:01:54,542 a swath of wilderness that belonged to Mexico 29 00:01:54,542 --> 00:01:56,959 but would soon be annexed to the United States 30 00:01:56,959 --> 00:01:58,875 as Utah Territory. 31 00:02:00,082 --> 00:02:03,000 Over the next 30 years, federal agents visited 32 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,417 almost every town in Utah to arrest polygamists. 33 00:02:07,417 --> 00:02:10,125 Giving in to the increasing pressure from the government, 34 00:02:10,125 --> 00:02:14,290 the LDS church renounced polygamy in 1890. 35 00:02:14,290 --> 00:02:15,917 Disgruntled Mormons, 36 00:02:15,917 --> 00:02:19,165 unwilling to abandon Joseph's most holy principle, 37 00:02:19,165 --> 00:02:22,582 splintered off from the mainstream LDS church. 38 00:02:22,582 --> 00:02:27,332 In 1986, a single family, the Jeffs family, 39 00:02:27,332 --> 00:02:29,875 gained control of the Fundamentalist Church 40 00:02:29,875 --> 00:02:32,250 of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 41 00:02:32,250 --> 00:02:34,125 or the FLDS, 42 00:02:34,125 --> 00:02:37,165 and Rulon Jeffs became the Prophet. 43 00:02:37,165 --> 00:02:40,082 Rulon took more than 50 wives. 44 00:02:40,082 --> 00:02:43,000 Merilyn Steed, his favorite wife, 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,125 gave birth to five sons. 46 00:02:45,125 --> 00:02:48,542 Her second son, Warren Steed Jeffs, 47 00:02:48,542 --> 00:02:51,165 was determined to become the Prophet himself. 48 00:02:59,417 --> 00:03:02,375 [man] Summer of 1999, I was on a climbing trip, 49 00:03:02,375 --> 00:03:05,959 and I'd never driven across this really remote road. 50 00:03:05,959 --> 00:03:08,875 It goes across southern Utah. 51 00:03:10,667 --> 00:03:12,625 Blistering hot day. 52 00:03:12,625 --> 00:03:14,750 There was a gas station, 53 00:03:14,750 --> 00:03:16,332 mini mart at the side of the road, 54 00:03:16,332 --> 00:03:18,959 nothing on this highway, little town off in the distance. 55 00:03:18,959 --> 00:03:22,125 And I pulled in, and it was really strange. 56 00:03:22,125 --> 00:03:24,959 The girl at the counter, when I went to pay for my Gatorade, 57 00:03:24,959 --> 00:03:28,290 you know, was dressed like in this pioneer dress 58 00:03:28,290 --> 00:03:29,834 and completely covered. 59 00:03:29,834 --> 00:03:31,457 It was 103 degrees. 60 00:03:31,457 --> 00:03:33,750 And I look around, and there's like, I don't know, 61 00:03:33,750 --> 00:03:36,667 more than a dozen other girls dressed like that. 62 00:03:36,667 --> 00:03:38,375 And I was at my car, about to leave, 63 00:03:38,375 --> 00:03:40,332 and they walked away, 64 00:03:40,332 --> 00:03:42,834 and they're being escorted by this old guy 65 00:03:42,834 --> 00:03:44,875 with a long-sleeved shirt, button collar. 66 00:03:44,875 --> 00:03:46,417 And, whoa, what's going on? 67 00:03:46,417 --> 00:03:49,000 And then I paid more attention to this town, 68 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,917 and these huge buildings. 69 00:03:50,917 --> 00:03:53,417 It's like a mile off the road, so I drove down there 70 00:03:53,417 --> 00:03:56,250 and, man, these are big fuckin' houses. 71 00:03:56,250 --> 00:03:59,000 And pretty soon there's a car behind me, 72 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,165 and wherever I go, he's right on my tail 73 00:04:01,165 --> 00:04:02,750 and really aggressive. 74 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:04,582 So I got the hell out of there, 75 00:04:04,582 --> 00:04:06,959 and he stayed with me all the way to the highway. 76 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:09,000 And I was pretty freaked out. 77 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,875 So I kept heading east towards Colorado, 78 00:04:11,875 --> 00:04:15,542 and I saw a National Parks Service truck and a ranger, 79 00:04:15,542 --> 00:04:18,457 and it was the closest thing to a cop I could find. 80 00:04:18,457 --> 00:04:20,582 So I was kind of all freaked out and-- 81 00:04:20,582 --> 00:04:22,290 "Man, I was just chased, 82 00:04:22,290 --> 00:04:23,875 and there's this weird, really agro-- 83 00:04:23,875 --> 00:04:25,375 And Colorado City." 84 00:04:25,375 --> 00:04:27,959 And he's like, "Oh, yeah, yeah. No, it's just Colorado City. 85 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:29,332 That's the polygs. 86 00:04:29,332 --> 00:04:31,667 You know, that's the biggest community of polygamists 87 00:04:31,667 --> 00:04:33,207 in the United States." 88 00:04:33,207 --> 00:04:34,875 My head was spinning. 89 00:04:34,875 --> 00:04:36,500 And what I didn't know at the time 90 00:04:36,500 --> 00:04:38,542 was I was just seeing the tip of the iceberg. 91 00:04:38,542 --> 00:04:40,792 Things were way stranger and way creepier 92 00:04:40,792 --> 00:04:43,709 than I ever could have imagined. 93 00:04:43,709 --> 00:04:48,625 [children's choir] ♪ A precious child ♪ 94 00:04:48,625 --> 00:04:54,709 ♪ Sent from above ♪ 95 00:04:54,709 --> 00:04:59,207 ♪ Given a mission ♪ 96 00:04:59,207 --> 00:05:04,208 ♪ A work of love ♪ 97 00:05:04,208 --> 00:05:08,916 ♪ God will walk beside you ♪ 98 00:05:08,916 --> 00:05:14,208 ♪ He will hold your hand ♪ 99 00:05:14,208 --> 00:05:19,040 ♪ He is there to guide you ♪ 100 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,165 ♪ He will understand ♪ 101 00:05:26,750 --> 00:05:31,542 ♪ Each time you whisper ♪ 102 00:05:31,542 --> 00:05:37,082 ♪ Or kneel in prayer ♪ 103 00:05:37,082 --> 00:05:41,417 ♪ He sends His spirit ♪ 104 00:05:41,417 --> 00:05:45,250 ♪ To show He is there... ♪ 105 00:05:45,250 --> 00:05:48,250 [Warren Jeffs] For your own children's sake, 106 00:05:48,250 --> 00:05:51,250 raise them up as calves in the stall, 107 00:05:51,250 --> 00:05:54,834 protected from evil influences. 108 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,875 Our young people 109 00:05:57,875 --> 00:06:02,125 need to be surrounded by the celestial law 110 00:06:02,125 --> 00:06:04,458 in their growing years, 111 00:06:04,458 --> 00:06:08,375 to give them the advantage of loving God, 112 00:06:08,375 --> 00:06:11,208 so that when they must face evil, 113 00:06:11,208 --> 00:06:14,500 they already have a natural love for the truth. 114 00:06:17,375 --> 00:06:20,040 Warren's mother, Merilyn, 115 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,792 was the sixth wife of my father. 116 00:06:22,792 --> 00:06:26,500 She came to Father's family 117 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:31,332 through a family that's called the Steed family 118 00:06:31,332 --> 00:06:34,667 that was taught to believe that their bloodline 119 00:06:34,667 --> 00:06:37,750 was a royal bloodline 120 00:06:37,750 --> 00:06:40,417 and that, through their bloodline, 121 00:06:40,417 --> 00:06:43,000 an individual would be brought forth 122 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,457 that would become a great person 123 00:06:45,457 --> 00:06:48,792 and become a leader of the world. 124 00:06:48,792 --> 00:06:52,875 Merilyn was very protective of Warren. 125 00:06:52,875 --> 00:06:54,667 Whenever he did something wrong, 126 00:06:54,667 --> 00:06:56,332 she would blame other people 127 00:06:56,332 --> 00:06:58,165 or bring up other people's faults 128 00:06:58,165 --> 00:07:00,625 to try to cover up what he did wrong. 129 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:07,875 I got to know Warren when I was 19 years old. 130 00:07:07,875 --> 00:07:10,625 We were thrown together in school. 131 00:07:10,625 --> 00:07:13,208 We were thrown together in a lot of things. 132 00:07:13,208 --> 00:07:15,583 His father promoted it. 133 00:07:15,583 --> 00:07:19,082 Rulon saw that it was an advantage to have me around, 134 00:07:19,082 --> 00:07:22,375 for both himself and for his sons. 135 00:07:30,875 --> 00:07:34,959 I was basically vice principal 136 00:07:34,959 --> 00:07:38,582 of Alta Academy for 19 years. 137 00:07:38,582 --> 00:07:42,125 During those 19 years, I was also in security. 138 00:07:42,125 --> 00:07:44,040 I put in the security system. 139 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,375 I knew when doors were opening and shutting. 140 00:07:46,375 --> 00:07:48,750 I had pressure-sensitive mats in it. 141 00:07:48,750 --> 00:07:50,250 I had cameras. 142 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:52,040 I had phone equipment 143 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,834 that recorded all incoming and outgoing phone calls. 144 00:07:57,332 --> 00:08:00,375 Originally, Rulon Jeffs started the Alta Academy 145 00:08:00,375 --> 00:08:02,416 for his own huge family. 146 00:08:02,416 --> 00:08:04,416 He had scores and scores of children, 147 00:08:04,416 --> 00:08:08,416 and pretty soon the word started getting out, 148 00:08:08,416 --> 00:08:12,666 and it became a school for all the FLDS faithful 149 00:08:12,666 --> 00:08:15,625 from both Salt Lake and Short Creek. 150 00:08:18,582 --> 00:08:22,500 I first came here to visit the Alta Academy back in 2004. 151 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:25,290 I had to see the place where Warren got his start. 152 00:08:28,750 --> 00:08:32,834 When Warren graduated from high school at 17, 153 00:08:32,834 --> 00:08:36,457 he was placed in as a teacher in the Alta Academy. 154 00:08:36,457 --> 00:08:38,082 Within a couple years, 155 00:08:38,082 --> 00:08:41,000 he was made principal of the Alta Academy. 156 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,709 So now he was running the school. 157 00:08:45,792 --> 00:08:48,500 The school was set up for just grades one through eight. 158 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:50,375 That's all Warren thought they needed. 159 00:08:50,375 --> 00:08:52,792 And the curriculum was very specific. 160 00:08:52,792 --> 00:08:56,792 It wasn't-- They didn't teach us regular U.S. history. 161 00:08:56,792 --> 00:08:58,625 They taught us Priesthood history, 162 00:08:58,625 --> 00:09:00,917 which is the history of the church, you know, 163 00:09:00,917 --> 00:09:04,457 not Abraham Lincoln and George Washington 164 00:09:04,457 --> 00:09:06,041 and all these things, you know? 165 00:09:06,041 --> 00:09:08,332 It was about the history of the church and Joseph Smith 166 00:09:08,332 --> 00:09:09,792 and all these things. 167 00:09:10,875 --> 00:09:14,166 He was an expert at teaching the Priesthood history, 168 00:09:14,166 --> 00:09:17,500 and that was the only history these people needed to know. 169 00:09:17,500 --> 00:09:20,332 And once you get to the eighth grade, 170 00:09:20,332 --> 00:09:23,750 you really don't need to go any further than that, really. 171 00:09:25,667 --> 00:09:30,417 [Warren] School is not your top priority. 172 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:34,667 It is your preparation 173 00:09:34,667 --> 00:09:38,542 to be filled with the Holy Ghost. 174 00:09:38,542 --> 00:09:41,000 That is the most important labor you have, 175 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,834 individually 176 00:09:42,834 --> 00:09:44,709 and in your families. 177 00:09:49,207 --> 00:09:51,500 We are here, 178 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:54,875 as the people of the prophet Joseph, 179 00:09:54,875 --> 00:09:57,792 to live the law of celestial and plural marriage 180 00:09:57,792 --> 00:10:00,750 and the holy United Order 181 00:10:00,750 --> 00:10:04,457 so that we can be that favored people 182 00:10:04,457 --> 00:10:07,582 the prophet Joseph can use in redeeming Zion. 183 00:10:23,041 --> 00:10:25,000 The brainwashing that went on-- 184 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:26,833 Even being little kids, 185 00:10:26,833 --> 00:10:28,792 the brainwashing would start, you know. 186 00:10:28,792 --> 00:10:31,417 You gotta start-- You gotta start the footsteps 187 00:10:31,417 --> 00:10:34,125 of, you know, you're gonna be, you know, a father one day, 188 00:10:34,125 --> 00:10:35,917 you're gonna be a husband one day, 189 00:10:35,917 --> 00:10:38,750 and you need to be perfectly obedient to ev-- 190 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:41,417 all of your teachers, and your father, 191 00:10:41,417 --> 00:10:43,250 and all the church leaders. 192 00:10:43,250 --> 00:10:46,457 And, you know, that is what they beat into us 193 00:10:46,457 --> 00:10:48,457 every single day of our lives. 194 00:10:50,875 --> 00:10:52,875 Anyone that stepped outside of the bounds 195 00:10:52,875 --> 00:10:56,040 of what he set for everyone, we were targeted, 196 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,750 and that was me. 197 00:10:57,750 --> 00:11:00,417 I was always one who stepped outside of the circle 198 00:11:00,417 --> 00:11:01,917 and questioned things, 199 00:11:01,917 --> 00:11:04,125 and he didn't like that one bit. 200 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:12,041 Warren's office is down here on the end. 201 00:11:14,041 --> 00:11:17,082 It's not like it's some big, grandiose office. 202 00:11:17,082 --> 00:11:19,625 In fact, you know, you have the valet from the roof 203 00:11:19,625 --> 00:11:21,833 coming down in here and everything. 204 00:11:21,833 --> 00:11:24,958 But this is where he wanted his office to be 205 00:11:24,958 --> 00:11:27,750 because he could get up 206 00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:30,625 and watch all the children on the playground 207 00:11:30,625 --> 00:11:33,582 and know when somebody was doing something wrong. 208 00:11:33,582 --> 00:11:35,207 He would bring-- 209 00:11:35,207 --> 00:11:37,750 Like, a lot of the young girls that I talked to, 210 00:11:37,750 --> 00:11:40,165 he was like the dress code cop. 211 00:11:41,917 --> 00:11:45,457 [Wallace] Warren pretty much made the dress code himself. 212 00:11:45,457 --> 00:11:47,709 He did that as a means 213 00:11:47,709 --> 00:11:52,165 to bring girls into his office alone. 214 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:55,000 [Brent] I remember seeing kids 215 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,165 constantly being pulled into his office 216 00:11:57,165 --> 00:11:58,875 and the door closed, 217 00:11:58,875 --> 00:12:01,125 and seeing them come out with this look on their face. 218 00:12:01,125 --> 00:12:03,332 I know what the look is, you know, 219 00:12:03,332 --> 00:12:04,792 the look of-- 220 00:12:04,792 --> 00:12:06,250 For me, it felt like 221 00:12:06,250 --> 00:12:07,917 your soul being ripped out of your heart, 222 00:12:07,917 --> 00:12:10,250 out of your body. You have nothing left. 223 00:12:11,958 --> 00:12:14,500 Behind closed doors, he is a predator. 224 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,500 He's abusing these kids, 225 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:18,332 and nobody knows about it. 226 00:12:18,332 --> 00:12:21,166 And he's putting such a fear of God in these kids, 227 00:12:21,166 --> 00:12:23,207 that none of them will ever say anything. 228 00:12:26,207 --> 00:12:29,750 [Ron] Well, my daughter, my oldest daughter, 229 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:32,750 was sent to Warren's office numerous times. 230 00:12:33,667 --> 00:12:36,875 Warren did rape her as well. 231 00:12:36,875 --> 00:12:39,709 She didn't tell me about it till years later, 232 00:12:39,709 --> 00:12:43,375 but, yes, this was going on. 233 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,959 [Warren] You can tell right now if you're passing the test. 234 00:12:50,542 --> 00:12:53,625 If you're keeping sweet no matter what, 235 00:12:53,625 --> 00:12:57,709 you're a person ready to give up your own will 236 00:12:57,709 --> 00:12:59,875 and just obey the priesthood over you. 237 00:13:05,125 --> 00:13:07,375 [attorney] Did there come a time when your father 238 00:13:07,375 --> 00:13:09,250 had some strokes, 239 00:13:09,250 --> 00:13:11,082 a series of strokes? 240 00:13:12,833 --> 00:13:14,125 [Warren] 241 00:13:15,417 --> 00:13:17,041 [attorney] And did there come a time 242 00:13:17,041 --> 00:13:18,958 when you became your father's mouthpiece? 243 00:13:18,958 --> 00:13:21,417 In other words, you communicated on his behalf 244 00:13:21,417 --> 00:13:23,417 with the FLDS people? 245 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 When he saw that he could be 246 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,165 the next one in line to take his father's position, 247 00:13:41,165 --> 00:13:45,250 I think that's when Warren went really off the edge. 248 00:13:45,250 --> 00:13:46,834 I really do. 249 00:13:46,834 --> 00:13:50,250 He started first by taking charge of Father's wives. 250 00:13:50,250 --> 00:13:53,917 He would tell them that he was Father's caregiver 251 00:13:53,917 --> 00:13:56,625 and that everything that they did with Father 252 00:13:56,625 --> 00:13:58,125 had to go through him. 253 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,291 He began taking over 254 00:14:01,291 --> 00:14:03,958 all of my father's appointments 255 00:14:03,958 --> 00:14:06,917 and dictating to him who he would see. 256 00:14:06,917 --> 00:14:09,457 He was basically telling my father 257 00:14:09,457 --> 00:14:12,000 what he needed to say and what he needed to do. 258 00:14:12,625 --> 00:14:15,750 All I want to say is, 259 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:18,958 to prepare for the judgments... 260 00:14:20,708 --> 00:14:23,625 and establish Zion. 261 00:14:25,792 --> 00:14:27,667 You know what I mean? 262 00:14:28,291 --> 00:14:29,958 [people] Yes. 263 00:14:29,958 --> 00:14:32,290 [Ron] Warren put into his father's head 264 00:14:32,290 --> 00:14:34,709 that the end of the world was coming, 265 00:14:34,709 --> 00:14:36,667 and Rulon started to believe it. 266 00:14:36,667 --> 00:14:38,834 I mean, he really did. He started believing 267 00:14:38,834 --> 00:14:41,375 that computers were gonna crash in 2000, 268 00:14:41,375 --> 00:14:43,834 power was gonna go down, there was gonna be havoc, 269 00:14:43,834 --> 00:14:45,582 nuclear war was inevitable. 270 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,040 All of this stuff that Warren was feeding him 271 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,207 made him believe that, by the year 2000, 272 00:14:54,207 --> 00:14:56,125 it was going to be over. 273 00:14:56,125 --> 00:14:58,959 [Warren] Soon a day of judgment will be upon us. 274 00:14:58,959 --> 00:15:02,000 The prophets described it would be 275 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,332 an entire separation 276 00:15:05,332 --> 00:15:08,041 of the righteous from the wicked. 277 00:15:08,041 --> 00:15:10,332 It will be such a judgment 278 00:15:10,332 --> 00:15:13,708 that will usher in the great millennial reign 279 00:15:13,708 --> 00:15:18,207 and only a faithful remnant will stay on this land. 280 00:15:18,207 --> 00:15:20,708 The year 2000, the Lord's gonna come down 281 00:15:20,708 --> 00:15:22,041 and wipe the Earth clean, 282 00:15:22,041 --> 00:15:25,041 and we're gonna be lifted up on some spaceship thing, 283 00:15:25,041 --> 00:15:27,082 and we're gonna be sent back down, 284 00:15:27,082 --> 00:15:29,542 and it's all gonna be good. 285 00:15:29,542 --> 00:15:31,667 And all of a sudden, the year 2000 comes. 286 00:15:31,667 --> 00:15:33,375 Nothing happens. 287 00:15:33,375 --> 00:15:36,082 Well, then he would come back up in front of the people and say, 288 00:15:36,082 --> 00:15:38,290 "Well, you guys weren't good enough. 289 00:15:38,290 --> 00:15:40,207 The Lord felt like that you guys needed more time 290 00:15:40,207 --> 00:15:42,332 to perfect yourselves and be more like Him." 291 00:15:42,332 --> 00:15:44,709 And so he would just move on to the next thing. 292 00:15:45,959 --> 00:15:49,040 [Warren] Do I have to send a scourge upon us 293 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,417 to remove those who cannot endure His presence? 294 00:15:52,417 --> 00:15:55,082 Is that what we're demanding of God? 295 00:15:57,332 --> 00:15:59,250 [Wallace] We all moved to Short Creek 296 00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:01,750 in January and February of 2002, 297 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:04,166 just before the Olympics. 298 00:16:04,166 --> 00:16:06,375 We were told the Olympics were going to come 299 00:16:06,375 --> 00:16:09,082 and that Salt Lake was going to be destroyed. 300 00:16:09,082 --> 00:16:12,958 So, we were supposed to move to Short Creek to save our lives. 301 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,582 To welcome the world into Zion, 302 00:16:17,582 --> 00:16:21,917 which is supposed to be pure and holy and so forth, 303 00:16:21,917 --> 00:16:25,125 is like saying, "Sinners, evil doers, 304 00:16:25,125 --> 00:16:26,792 you're all welcome here." 305 00:16:26,792 --> 00:16:28,875 And that's the way they viewed it. 306 00:16:28,875 --> 00:16:31,708 And so, we had to separate ourselves from them. 307 00:16:31,708 --> 00:16:35,582 And if we did not, then we would be-- we would be damned. 308 00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:38,917 [Sam] And they picked this spot out purposely 309 00:16:38,917 --> 00:16:41,750 because it's geographically isolated. 310 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:44,375 On one side, these vermilion cliffs. 311 00:16:44,375 --> 00:16:48,667 On the other side is desert and the Grand Canyon. 312 00:16:48,667 --> 00:16:51,125 They wanted to be isolated 313 00:16:51,125 --> 00:16:53,375 because their beliefs were illegal. 314 00:16:53,375 --> 00:16:56,290 The practice of polygamy was illegal. 315 00:16:56,290 --> 00:16:58,500 There's a street going through the middle of town. 316 00:16:58,500 --> 00:16:59,959 It's called Uzona, 317 00:16:59,959 --> 00:17:02,291 and on one side of the street, you're in Arizona. 318 00:17:02,291 --> 00:17:04,625 The other side of the street, you're in Utah. 319 00:17:04,625 --> 00:17:06,416 They did that on purpose 320 00:17:06,416 --> 00:17:09,500 because, if something happens on one side of the border, 321 00:17:09,500 --> 00:17:11,333 they can just cross the street 322 00:17:11,333 --> 00:17:14,583 and they're in a different jurisdiction. 323 00:17:14,583 --> 00:17:16,290 As we come into town, 324 00:17:16,290 --> 00:17:19,625 you can start to see cameras 325 00:17:19,625 --> 00:17:22,916 all over the place, on all these buildings. 326 00:17:22,916 --> 00:17:26,416 Church security and the town marshals 327 00:17:26,416 --> 00:17:28,040 already know we're here. 328 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,333 They probably picked us up out by Canaan Gap. 329 00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:33,791 And, in fact, 330 00:17:33,791 --> 00:17:36,208 there's church security right here. 331 00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:41,834 On our right is Phase Concrete. 332 00:17:41,834 --> 00:17:44,165 This is where Ben Thomas used to work. 333 00:17:44,165 --> 00:17:47,165 It's one of the prominent businesses in town. 334 00:17:47,165 --> 00:17:49,208 Like nearly all the businesses in Short Creek, 335 00:17:49,208 --> 00:17:52,709 it's run in the shadows by the FLDS hierarchy. 336 00:17:54,333 --> 00:17:58,458 So one way the Phase would help funnel money to the church was: 337 00:17:58,458 --> 00:18:02,541 Let's say the men working, they worked 400 hours. 338 00:18:02,541 --> 00:18:05,040 So we could actually bill that contract, 339 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,208 a general contractor, for 400 labor hours. 340 00:18:09,208 --> 00:18:11,625 Then, we would talk to the guys and say, 341 00:18:11,625 --> 00:18:13,500 "You know what? We need to donate." 342 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:17,083 And they would say, "Okay, I'll donate my time." 343 00:18:17,083 --> 00:18:20,541 And so, out of that 400 billable hours, 344 00:18:20,541 --> 00:18:24,750 we only paid maybe 200 of those hours out in payroll. 345 00:18:24,750 --> 00:18:26,333 [Sam] They don't put it on paper, 346 00:18:26,333 --> 00:18:28,959 and they don't put it on paper on purpose. 347 00:18:28,959 --> 00:18:31,458 The businesses are put out there 348 00:18:31,458 --> 00:18:33,040 to fall on their sword 349 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,125 and take the heat for the church, 350 00:18:35,125 --> 00:18:37,875 but the church gets all the money. 351 00:18:37,875 --> 00:18:39,916 This isn't just a recent problem. 352 00:18:39,916 --> 00:18:42,040 FLDS-operated businesses 353 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,541 have been bleeding the American economy for decades. 354 00:18:45,541 --> 00:18:47,625 In fact, one of the earlier examples 355 00:18:47,625 --> 00:18:49,834 even has ties to NASA. 356 00:18:49,834 --> 00:18:52,709 I had been instructed 357 00:18:52,709 --> 00:18:56,083 by the president of the priesthood 358 00:18:56,083 --> 00:18:58,333 to get into something different 359 00:18:58,333 --> 00:19:00,500 than what I was in with that engineering company 360 00:19:00,500 --> 00:19:04,916 because I was traveling way too much to have a big family. 361 00:19:04,916 --> 00:19:09,165 I left Fenway Engineering and started HydraPak. 362 00:19:09,165 --> 00:19:13,416 We sent Thiokol the first set of O-rings. 363 00:19:13,416 --> 00:19:15,250 At that time, the Space Shuttle program 364 00:19:15,250 --> 00:19:17,416 was at a complete halt 365 00:19:17,416 --> 00:19:19,500 because they couldn't put the shuttle together. 366 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:22,083 And they said, "Well, you're the only one 367 00:19:22,083 --> 00:19:23,541 that knows how to make these things. 368 00:19:23,541 --> 00:19:26,000 Do you wanna get into business?" We said, "Sure." 369 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,250 And the-- 370 00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:28,625 [chuckles] 371 00:19:28,625 --> 00:19:32,333 the first set of O-rings was built in my kitchen. 372 00:19:32,333 --> 00:19:37,416 We had had over 5,000 hot shots with our O-rings, 373 00:19:37,416 --> 00:19:40,458 and no failures, so we were quite confident 374 00:19:40,458 --> 00:19:43,290 that we knew that there was not an O-ring problem. 375 00:19:55,165 --> 00:19:58,541 I regret that I have to report 376 00:19:58,541 --> 00:20:02,040 that, based on very preliminary searches of the ocean 377 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,125 where the Challenger impacted this morning, 378 00:20:06,125 --> 00:20:08,040 these searches have not revealed 379 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,875 any evidence that the crew of Challenger survived. 380 00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:15,165 Somehow, 381 00:20:15,165 --> 00:20:19,416 there was some blame with HydraPak, 382 00:20:19,416 --> 00:20:22,125 who manufactured those O-rings. 383 00:20:22,125 --> 00:20:24,583 I think there's controversy over that to this day. 384 00:20:24,583 --> 00:20:28,541 But it was an FLDS-owned company. 385 00:20:29,834 --> 00:20:32,000 The businesses here 386 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,500 are set up to distance themselves, 387 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:38,000 but the church owns them. 388 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,500 In fact, that's a covenant-- 389 00:20:40,500 --> 00:20:42,916 to turn your business over to the church, 390 00:20:42,916 --> 00:20:44,709 and all the assets. 391 00:20:44,709 --> 00:20:47,750 Everything you make belongs to the church. 392 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 [Ben] I was working for Phase. 393 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,875 I would monitor the jobs, 394 00:20:52,875 --> 00:20:56,125 from Seattle down to Gallup, New Mexico. 395 00:20:56,125 --> 00:20:59,083 Huge commercial concrete projects. 396 00:20:59,083 --> 00:21:01,959 My jobs involved Walmarts. 397 00:21:01,959 --> 00:21:04,583 I did a hospital. We did the Family Dollar. 398 00:21:05,709 --> 00:21:08,416 [Sam] Western Precision is 399 00:21:08,416 --> 00:21:11,500 one of the very big manufacturing companies. 400 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:15,000 It's been around for years, and it's still operating. 401 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,583 They manufacture aerospace parts. 402 00:21:17,583 --> 00:21:20,666 They manufacture gun parts, you name it. 403 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:23,375 [Ben] When I first started working here, 404 00:21:23,375 --> 00:21:25,333 we were required, as elders, 405 00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:29,040 to donate $1,000 a month plus the tithing. 406 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,875 And then, when Warren Jeffs or Lyle, 407 00:21:31,875 --> 00:21:33,709 whoever started the United Order, 408 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:36,333 it was basically turn everything over. 409 00:21:36,333 --> 00:21:38,416 One of the companies, Reliance Lighting, 410 00:21:38,416 --> 00:21:41,083 is one of the largest, if not the largest, 411 00:21:41,083 --> 00:21:44,666 lighting distributor and manufacturer in the west. 412 00:21:44,666 --> 00:21:48,916 They do millions of dollars' worth of lighting fixtures 413 00:21:48,916 --> 00:21:50,541 in casinos and hotels 414 00:21:50,541 --> 00:21:53,375 and commercial buildings all over the country. 415 00:21:53,375 --> 00:21:56,791 And they bring in not small amounts of money, 416 00:21:56,791 --> 00:21:59,333 millions of dollars a month. 417 00:21:59,333 --> 00:22:04,333 All that money goes straight into the church's coffers. 418 00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:07,125 It's not like any other job. 419 00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:09,458 Lots of people take pride in their work 420 00:22:09,458 --> 00:22:11,834 and want to do a good job. 421 00:22:11,834 --> 00:22:14,916 But your salvation depends on you succeeding. 422 00:22:14,916 --> 00:22:18,416 And your status and stature within the church, 423 00:22:18,416 --> 00:22:20,541 and how you grow within the church, 424 00:22:20,541 --> 00:22:25,290 depends on how well you succeed in your businesses. 425 00:22:28,791 --> 00:22:34,834 [children's choir] ♪ How blessed I am ♪ 426 00:22:34,834 --> 00:22:40,375 ♪ I look around ♪ 427 00:22:40,375 --> 00:22:45,791 ♪ And here I fly ♪ 428 00:22:45,791 --> 00:22:51,791 ♪ I'm growing in His love ♪ 429 00:22:53,083 --> 00:22:54,834 ♪ Each bright new day... ♪ 430 00:22:54,834 --> 00:22:57,666 The Jeffs compound's right here on our right. 431 00:22:57,666 --> 00:23:00,458 This is where Rulon Jeffs lived, 432 00:23:00,458 --> 00:23:03,666 and then Warren after Rulon died. 433 00:23:03,666 --> 00:23:07,666 This encompasses a whole block, a whole city block. 434 00:23:09,541 --> 00:23:13,416 ♪ A chance to give... ♪ 435 00:23:13,416 --> 00:23:16,083 On the right, this is the meeting house. 436 00:23:17,250 --> 00:23:19,541 That's the kind of command post 437 00:23:19,541 --> 00:23:23,625 for all these cameras that are set up all over town. 438 00:23:23,625 --> 00:23:27,083 We found out that that's where they monitor them at. 439 00:23:27,083 --> 00:23:28,834 [Jon] They gave up all these businesses, 440 00:23:28,834 --> 00:23:30,458 turned over the assets to Warren. 441 00:23:30,458 --> 00:23:32,500 By the time they all moved down to Short Creek, 442 00:23:32,500 --> 00:23:34,541 the assets of the trust that he controlled 443 00:23:34,541 --> 00:23:36,750 were worth $110 million, 444 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:40,375 a boatload of money, and it's all his. 445 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,791 [Wallace] We did over 250 truckloads of furniture 446 00:23:45,791 --> 00:23:48,458 for families in 30 days, 447 00:23:48,458 --> 00:23:51,040 from Salt Lake to Short Creek. 448 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,165 And he did that so that he could control the people easier 449 00:23:54,165 --> 00:23:57,666 by concentrating them in one location. 450 00:23:57,666 --> 00:24:01,875 When we moved down, I had 18 children and two wives, 451 00:24:01,875 --> 00:24:05,666 and I had a half-million-dollar home in Draper, 452 00:24:05,666 --> 00:24:09,333 I had a very successful business here in Salt Lake. 453 00:24:09,333 --> 00:24:11,709 And I just walked away from it. 454 00:24:11,709 --> 00:24:14,125 It was a way to concentrate the finances 455 00:24:14,125 --> 00:24:17,458 so they could control the finances of the people. 456 00:24:17,458 --> 00:24:19,040 In other words, Warren's telling you 457 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,666 you have nothing to lose. 458 00:24:20,666 --> 00:24:22,290 -Right. -Yeah. 459 00:24:22,290 --> 00:24:23,458 It doesn't matter. 460 00:24:23,458 --> 00:24:24,834 You're not gonna have to pay it back 461 00:24:24,834 --> 00:24:26,666 'cause the destructions are gonna kill everybody. 462 00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:28,916 So, max out everything, get all the money you can, 463 00:24:28,916 --> 00:24:31,583 give it to me, and you'll never have to pay it back. 464 00:24:31,583 --> 00:24:34,709 And our last truckload left 465 00:24:34,709 --> 00:24:37,500 the day before the Olympics started. 466 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,165 That's how they control the people, 467 00:24:39,165 --> 00:24:40,750 is through these deadlines. 468 00:24:40,750 --> 00:24:42,709 If you don't do this, the Lord is going to punish you 469 00:24:42,709 --> 00:24:45,666 and you're gonna die in the destruction. 470 00:24:45,666 --> 00:24:47,583 This was all done because Warren knew 471 00:24:47,583 --> 00:24:49,625 that his father wasn't gonna live for long. 472 00:24:49,625 --> 00:24:54,750 And he was setting himself up as the next king. 473 00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:56,959 [Sam] As time went on, 474 00:24:56,959 --> 00:25:00,416 Warren regularly kept marrying 475 00:25:00,416 --> 00:25:02,709 more and more young girls to Rulon, 476 00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:05,791 and the ages kept getting younger and younger. 477 00:25:05,791 --> 00:25:08,165 And in one of Rulon's lucid moments, 478 00:25:08,165 --> 00:25:09,709 he pounded the desk and said, 479 00:25:09,709 --> 00:25:12,250 "Why are you marrying all these young girls to me?" 480 00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:13,916 The reason Warren was doing it 481 00:25:13,916 --> 00:25:17,625 was to set up a harem for himself after his father died. 482 00:25:17,625 --> 00:25:21,541 And one of the wives became pregnant 483 00:25:21,541 --> 00:25:24,666 before Rulon had a chance to die. 484 00:25:25,541 --> 00:25:28,375 Rulon could not have children, okay? 485 00:25:28,375 --> 00:25:33,290 So it was definitely Warren's child-- 486 00:25:34,165 --> 00:25:35,834 children. 487 00:25:35,834 --> 00:25:37,959 It was twins. 488 00:25:37,959 --> 00:25:40,290 So, Rulon had to die. 489 00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:41,834 He had to. 490 00:25:41,834 --> 00:25:44,791 All they had to do was feed him the wrong things, 491 00:25:44,791 --> 00:25:46,709 which they did. 492 00:25:46,709 --> 00:25:48,666 [Wallace] The fact that he always felt 493 00:25:48,666 --> 00:25:51,709 that he could cover up everything that he did wrong, 494 00:25:51,709 --> 00:25:54,666 he definitely would have... 495 00:25:55,916 --> 00:25:58,333 taken father's life to cover that up. 496 00:25:59,125 --> 00:26:00,541 [Warren] I want to remind you 497 00:26:00,541 --> 00:26:03,165 what the prophets have taught us: 498 00:26:03,165 --> 00:26:05,333 that whenever a man of God 499 00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:08,500 is commanded to kill another man, 500 00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:11,165 he is never bloodthirsty. 501 00:26:11,165 --> 00:26:14,333 But a righteous man never loves to kill. 502 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,875 Instead, I'll tell you what a righteous man does. 503 00:26:18,875 --> 00:26:20,834 He goes humbly, 504 00:26:20,834 --> 00:26:24,375 and he is asking the Lord to strengthen his hand 505 00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:27,208 so he can do the Lord's will, 506 00:26:27,208 --> 00:26:30,040 and keep sweet, even in doing that. 507 00:26:31,666 --> 00:26:33,541 When Father died, 508 00:26:33,541 --> 00:26:36,791 Warren never declared himself the Prophet. 509 00:26:36,791 --> 00:26:39,375 But he said that he was in contact with Father 510 00:26:39,375 --> 00:26:41,375 on the other side 511 00:26:41,375 --> 00:26:43,541 and that Father was still running the people 512 00:26:43,541 --> 00:26:46,040 from the other side through Warren. 513 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,541 But then he eventually slowly stopped saying that, 514 00:26:50,541 --> 00:26:53,583 and he started saying, "This is what the Lord wants. 515 00:26:53,583 --> 00:26:55,709 This is what the Lord has revealed to me." 516 00:26:57,416 --> 00:27:00,208 [Warren] I know the Lord, through his prophet, 517 00:27:00,208 --> 00:27:02,666 has the right to rule, 518 00:27:02,666 --> 00:27:05,625 and we have the right, 519 00:27:05,625 --> 00:27:08,165 privilege and duty to obey. 520 00:27:09,416 --> 00:27:11,791 When he asked me to marry him at 16, 521 00:27:11,791 --> 00:27:14,959 I honestly believed that that's what God wanted. 522 00:27:14,959 --> 00:27:17,625 Basically, my mom just woke me up and says, you know, 523 00:27:17,625 --> 00:27:19,083 "Hurry. We got to get you dressed. 524 00:27:19,083 --> 00:27:20,916 You have an appointment with the Prophet." 525 00:27:20,916 --> 00:27:23,458 And my dad took me down there to talk to him. 526 00:27:23,458 --> 00:27:26,083 And I kind of knew what was coming. 527 00:27:26,083 --> 00:27:29,000 I knew, 'cause I'd never had an appointment, 528 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,916 first off, with him. 529 00:27:30,916 --> 00:27:35,083 So I kind of knew what he was going to ask me. 530 00:27:35,083 --> 00:27:36,834 Not him specifically, 531 00:27:36,834 --> 00:27:40,290 but I kind of knew that I was going to get married. 532 00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:42,083 Basically, I just went in there, 533 00:27:42,083 --> 00:27:43,791 and I sat in front of him, 534 00:27:43,791 --> 00:27:46,791 and he asked me straight out, "Will you marry me?" 535 00:27:46,791 --> 00:27:48,791 And, honestly, I was still a kid. 536 00:27:48,791 --> 00:27:52,625 I didn't understand what it means, what it truly means. 537 00:27:52,625 --> 00:27:55,541 I feel like being married at 16... 538 00:27:56,875 --> 00:27:59,290 took away my entire life. 539 00:27:59,290 --> 00:28:02,208 Giving all that up at 16, 540 00:28:02,208 --> 00:28:05,583 I feel like... I just, 541 00:28:05,583 --> 00:28:07,709 at that point-- from that point on, 542 00:28:07,709 --> 00:28:09,709 my entire life has been chaos. 543 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,625 [Warren] Dear wives, 544 00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:17,583 realizing happiness is only being a part 545 00:28:17,583 --> 00:28:19,875 and a strength to your husband. 546 00:28:19,875 --> 00:28:22,416 Get close to him. 547 00:28:22,416 --> 00:28:24,333 Confide in him. 548 00:28:25,583 --> 00:28:28,791 Turn to him with a full heart, 549 00:28:28,791 --> 00:28:32,834 and give him the opportunity to lead you right. 550 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:36,416 At night, we'd all get in a line 551 00:28:36,416 --> 00:28:38,165 and give him a kiss goodnight. 552 00:28:38,165 --> 00:28:41,000 It's almost like-- I don't even know how to explain that. 553 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,375 It's really weird to think about it now. 554 00:28:43,375 --> 00:28:46,666 It's really weird. It's like being in prison. 555 00:28:46,666 --> 00:28:48,333 Instead of getting your food, 556 00:28:48,333 --> 00:28:50,333 [chuckling] you're giving him a kiss. 557 00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:54,000 [Wallace] He wanted to remove any man 558 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,250 who would be a threat to his power or his influence. 559 00:28:58,208 --> 00:29:00,208 So he called a meeting-- 560 00:29:00,208 --> 00:29:03,416 it was a Saturday work project meeting-- 561 00:29:03,416 --> 00:29:05,165 and he got up and read 562 00:29:05,165 --> 00:29:07,666 what he called a revelation from God: 563 00:29:07,666 --> 00:29:10,290 that certain men, 564 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,583 who were leaders among the people, 565 00:29:12,583 --> 00:29:14,375 no longer held priesthood, 566 00:29:14,375 --> 00:29:16,541 were not worthy of their families. 567 00:29:16,541 --> 00:29:18,333 And he started casting out 568 00:29:18,333 --> 00:29:20,333 anybody that he felt was a threat 569 00:29:20,333 --> 00:29:22,791 to his power or his authority. 570 00:29:22,791 --> 00:29:26,916 When his father died and he took over, 571 00:29:26,916 --> 00:29:29,666 I think he felt like whatever decisions he made, 572 00:29:29,666 --> 00:29:31,500 whatever he did, 573 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:33,458 no one should question. 574 00:29:33,458 --> 00:29:35,834 And if they did, there were severe consequences, 575 00:29:35,834 --> 00:29:37,666 they would lose their family. 576 00:29:37,666 --> 00:29:39,625 And he made sure that they understood that. 577 00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:45,583 [Warren] A man can only have and hold a woman as his wife, 578 00:29:45,583 --> 00:29:48,000 if he has the priesthood. 579 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,208 If he loses the priesthood, 580 00:29:50,208 --> 00:29:53,250 his family is automatically released. 581 00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:56,083 [Ron] I was sent away 582 00:29:56,083 --> 00:29:59,834 simply because I had some serious liability issues, 583 00:29:59,834 --> 00:30:01,959 as far as Warren was concerned. 584 00:30:01,959 --> 00:30:05,500 And I was the only one that really knew enough 585 00:30:05,500 --> 00:30:07,709 that could probably destroy 586 00:30:07,709 --> 00:30:10,834 his taking over his father's position. 587 00:30:10,834 --> 00:30:14,083 My third wife was Warren's full sister. 588 00:30:14,083 --> 00:30:16,125 She had been molested. 589 00:30:16,125 --> 00:30:18,834 And she says it was by one of her brothers, 590 00:30:18,834 --> 00:30:20,458 but she couldn't tell me who it was 591 00:30:20,458 --> 00:30:22,290 'cause she was under an oath. 592 00:30:22,290 --> 00:30:24,333 And she says, "But you can guess." 593 00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:27,625 She suffered some tremendous trauma. 594 00:30:28,583 --> 00:30:31,000 I was sent out, and he told the whole church-- 595 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,083 He says, "If any of you sympathize with Ron, 596 00:30:34,083 --> 00:30:37,290 you will have the same thing happen to you and your family." 597 00:30:38,709 --> 00:30:42,040 [Elaine] Nearly 40 years in the religion, 598 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,875 things started to change 599 00:30:43,875 --> 00:30:45,625 once Warren took over 600 00:30:45,625 --> 00:30:47,750 and started imposing 601 00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:51,791 all kinds of tyrannical, mind-control things 602 00:30:51,791 --> 00:30:55,125 on the congregation and my children. 603 00:30:55,125 --> 00:30:57,208 So, I left 604 00:30:57,208 --> 00:31:01,583 without my children, because I was deemed not worthy. 605 00:31:01,583 --> 00:31:03,583 And so, I remained very discreet 606 00:31:03,583 --> 00:31:06,709 because I did not want Warren to have any excuse 607 00:31:06,709 --> 00:31:09,040 from this apostate 608 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,959 to break up their families. 609 00:31:13,083 --> 00:31:15,040 [Warren] An apostate is one 610 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,375 who has altogether turned from the Prophet. 611 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:24,834 If you have a willful connection with apostates, 612 00:31:24,834 --> 00:31:27,208 you will not survive. 613 00:31:30,125 --> 00:31:32,666 [Jon] You know, when Prozac became popular, 614 00:31:32,666 --> 00:31:34,083 Warren prescribed Prozac 615 00:31:34,083 --> 00:31:36,666 to probably most of the women in the religion, 616 00:31:36,666 --> 00:31:38,500 and I'm not exaggerating. 617 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,834 They're all depressed. You better believe it. 618 00:31:40,834 --> 00:31:44,250 And it was a way to sort of, you know, quell their anxiety-- 619 00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:48,125 he believed-- and, you know, make them more docile. 620 00:31:48,125 --> 00:31:51,000 We believed that it's disrespectful to wear red 621 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,541 because they believed that, when Jesus comes down, 622 00:31:54,541 --> 00:31:56,000 when he comes back, 623 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,125 he'll be dressed in a red robe. 624 00:31:59,125 --> 00:32:01,500 So, it's disrespectful if you are to wear red. 625 00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:03,916 So, I would wear red. 626 00:32:03,916 --> 00:32:07,040 And I'm like-- Sometimes I'd do it on purpose 627 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,000 because I thought someone would come out of the sky 628 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,834 and kill me, literally. 629 00:32:10,834 --> 00:32:11,916 No kidding. 630 00:32:13,083 --> 00:32:15,583 The FLDS had always followed their leaders blindly, 631 00:32:15,583 --> 00:32:17,709 but things were really different under Warren. 632 00:32:17,709 --> 00:32:19,165 The lives of the faithful 633 00:32:19,165 --> 00:32:22,040 were much more constrained, much more restricted. 634 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,208 So he started taking away television. 635 00:32:24,208 --> 00:32:26,458 [Jon] Basketball hoops were taken down. 636 00:32:26,458 --> 00:32:28,666 No more toys. You couldn't play any games. 637 00:32:28,666 --> 00:32:30,040 [Sam] Going to the movies, 638 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,458 reading the newspaper, getting on the Internet. 639 00:32:33,458 --> 00:32:35,333 [Jon] No pets. No dancing. 640 00:32:35,333 --> 00:32:37,458 Stop celebrating Pioneer Day. 641 00:32:37,458 --> 00:32:38,875 Stop celebrating Christmas. 642 00:32:38,875 --> 00:32:40,541 You know, all these things, 643 00:32:40,541 --> 00:32:43,125 taking bits of people's lives away, 644 00:32:43,125 --> 00:32:45,125 you know, just one inch at a time, 645 00:32:45,125 --> 00:32:47,416 and seeing how much they would tolerate. 646 00:32:47,416 --> 00:32:50,583 [Jon] He just kind of removed all the joy from Short Creek. 647 00:32:50,583 --> 00:32:54,250 It was just, he just hated people to be happy. 648 00:32:54,250 --> 00:32:55,959 [Sam] This is a people 649 00:32:55,959 --> 00:32:58,916 that are used to obeying authority. 650 00:32:58,916 --> 00:33:00,583 [Jon] You know, paradoxically, 651 00:33:00,583 --> 00:33:02,625 it made the faithful more loyal than ever to Warren. 652 00:33:02,625 --> 00:33:04,959 The more afraid they became, the more threatened they felt, 653 00:33:04,959 --> 00:33:06,959 the more they bonded to Warren. 654 00:33:06,959 --> 00:33:08,416 They believe in the Prophet, 655 00:33:08,416 --> 00:33:10,290 and they believe in blind obedience. 656 00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:13,333 So, they were willing to do whatever Warren told them. 657 00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:15,916 The more they feared him, the more they depended on him, 658 00:33:15,916 --> 00:33:17,625 the more he controlled them. 659 00:33:17,625 --> 00:33:20,583 He's an expert at mind control, 660 00:33:20,583 --> 00:33:22,834 and all mind control is through fear. 661 00:33:22,834 --> 00:33:24,666 He wanted them to be miserable. 662 00:33:24,666 --> 00:33:26,959 And he did it, and it was no exceptions. 663 00:33:26,959 --> 00:33:29,290 You kowtow, or you're out. 664 00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:34,750 People within the FLDS, 665 00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:37,458 a few of them had enough and have found the courage 666 00:33:37,458 --> 00:33:39,541 to come forward and tell their stories. 667 00:33:41,165 --> 00:33:42,916 [reporter] Ross Chatwin is striking back 668 00:33:42,916 --> 00:33:46,165 against the Prophet who stripped him of his priesthood, 669 00:33:46,165 --> 00:33:48,959 ordered him to leave his home and leave his family. 670 00:33:48,959 --> 00:33:52,959 We are being told to leave, leave our home here. 671 00:33:52,959 --> 00:33:56,791 And we want to make a firm stand that we do not plan on leaving. 672 00:33:56,791 --> 00:33:58,458 [reporter] The edict means wife Lori 673 00:33:58,458 --> 00:34:00,916 must take the couple's six children 674 00:34:00,916 --> 00:34:03,040 and leave their father, her husband, 675 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,791 something she just can't do. 676 00:34:04,791 --> 00:34:07,250 When you tell a family... 677 00:34:08,583 --> 00:34:12,000 they can no longer love their father, 678 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,833 that you've got to create something cold inside of you 679 00:34:15,833 --> 00:34:18,625 to no longer love your husband or your father. 680 00:34:18,625 --> 00:34:20,750 You know, we knew that there were certain things 681 00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:22,500 that had to happen. 682 00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:25,041 One of those was take away 683 00:34:25,041 --> 00:34:28,208 Warren's control of people's homes here. 684 00:34:28,208 --> 00:34:32,166 And we knew, as long as Warren controlled the homes, 685 00:34:32,166 --> 00:34:34,083 he would control the people. 686 00:34:34,083 --> 00:34:36,208 We need your help and support 687 00:34:36,208 --> 00:34:38,875 to help stop Warren S. Jeffs 688 00:34:38,875 --> 00:34:41,750 from destroying families, kicking us out of our homes, 689 00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:43,500 and marrying our children 690 00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:46,291 in some kind of political, dollar, Brownie-point system. 691 00:34:46,291 --> 00:34:48,666 [Sam] It blew people's minds here 692 00:34:48,666 --> 00:34:51,833 that somebody was standing up to Warren Jeffs. 693 00:34:51,833 --> 00:34:55,000 Nobody had done that kind of thing before. 694 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,583 And so, word started getting out. 695 00:34:57,583 --> 00:35:01,000 And some of the people that were out there 696 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,083 started finding out that I was a private investigator, 697 00:35:03,083 --> 00:35:06,083 and that I had been doing work down here, 698 00:35:06,083 --> 00:35:08,291 and I was hired on the Lost Boys case 699 00:35:08,291 --> 00:35:11,916 and Brent Jeffs' case against his uncle Warren. 700 00:35:16,333 --> 00:35:18,500 [Brent] There was a bathroom down in the basement 701 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:20,916 when we would have these Jeffs family meetings, 702 00:35:20,916 --> 00:35:22,416 these special Jeffs meetings, 703 00:35:22,416 --> 00:35:26,500 when Warren would be up on the stand with Rulon. 704 00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:29,750 And then Rulon would start to speak, 705 00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:32,625 and the class would separate, 706 00:35:32,625 --> 00:35:36,083 and the children would all go downstairs into the classrooms. 707 00:35:37,166 --> 00:35:40,583 Well, Warren would disappear off the stage, 708 00:35:40,583 --> 00:35:45,250 and this is when he would have his chance to walk around, 709 00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:47,375 somehow sneak down into the basement. 710 00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:49,333 And he'd pull 'em into the bathroom, 711 00:35:49,333 --> 00:35:52,416 and this is where he would molest the kids. 712 00:35:52,416 --> 00:35:56,125 And then he would go right back upstairs on top of that stage 713 00:35:56,125 --> 00:35:58,250 and preach the word of God to these people. 714 00:35:59,666 --> 00:36:02,125 And I don't know how many other kids he did this to. 715 00:36:10,666 --> 00:36:13,458 When Warren was molesting me, 716 00:36:13,458 --> 00:36:15,541 he would say, you know, 717 00:36:15,541 --> 00:36:18,583 "This is the word of God. This is God's will. 718 00:36:18,583 --> 00:36:21,250 If you say anything to anybody, 719 00:36:21,250 --> 00:36:23,458 you're turning your back on God. 720 00:36:23,458 --> 00:36:25,500 You're gonna burn in hell for that." 721 00:36:27,125 --> 00:36:29,041 [Warren] An apostate goes away 722 00:36:29,041 --> 00:36:33,458 accusing, blaming others for their apostasy... 723 00:36:34,708 --> 00:36:38,208 that all these things aren't right with the Prophet 724 00:36:38,208 --> 00:36:40,000 or those around him. 725 00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:43,375 Don't be tricked. 726 00:36:45,041 --> 00:36:47,916 These were courageous young people 727 00:36:47,916 --> 00:36:51,666 who were willing to-- urging the state to press charges. 728 00:36:51,666 --> 00:36:54,750 And they were taking huge risks, but they decided to do it. 729 00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:57,125 And once they did it, the floodgates opened, 730 00:36:57,125 --> 00:36:59,500 and more and more people started coming forward, 731 00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:01,750 telling their stories and how they'd been abused. 732 00:37:02,958 --> 00:37:06,041 In July 2004, on the steps of the capitol, 733 00:37:06,041 --> 00:37:08,458 Mark Shurtleff announced, 734 00:37:08,458 --> 00:37:10,458 "I want Warren Jeffs to know I'm coming after you." 735 00:37:10,458 --> 00:37:12,666 And he created this polygamy task force. 736 00:37:12,666 --> 00:37:14,500 He started using these methods 737 00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:17,333 that had been used against the mafia to put them in prison-- 738 00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:20,125 you know, racketeering laws, the RICO laws. 739 00:37:20,125 --> 00:37:22,000 It was, "We're gonna get you 740 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,000 for interstate trafficking, for fraud." 741 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,041 Those were the things that could bring down the church. 742 00:37:28,041 --> 00:37:29,541 And, thanks to Sam's work 743 00:37:29,541 --> 00:37:31,916 and the attorney general's statements, 744 00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:34,500 you know, finally it looked like the tide had turned 745 00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:38,041 and now, you know, this was gonna be taken seriously. 746 00:37:38,041 --> 00:37:39,625 [Brent] I started this. 747 00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:41,541 And then, soon after my lawsuit, 748 00:37:41,541 --> 00:37:44,375 there was these kids that were out of the church as well, 749 00:37:44,375 --> 00:37:46,750 wanted to file a lawsuit against Warren. 750 00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:49,625 And then another lawsuit with Elissa Wall followed. 751 00:37:49,625 --> 00:37:52,875 I mean, it was just like this huge ripple effect started 752 00:37:52,875 --> 00:37:55,000 and people finally getting enough courage 753 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,625 to finally go after him. 754 00:37:58,541 --> 00:38:00,208 [Sam] At 14 years old, 755 00:38:00,208 --> 00:38:03,875 Elissa Wall was placed with her 19-year-old cousin 756 00:38:03,875 --> 00:38:05,541 by Warren Jeffs. 757 00:38:05,541 --> 00:38:08,416 She was married to him in a ceremony. 758 00:38:08,416 --> 00:38:10,458 She was an unwilling participant. 759 00:38:10,458 --> 00:38:12,208 She was scared to death. 760 00:38:12,208 --> 00:38:16,000 So, Elissa went through a long period 761 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,625 of abuse and horror. 762 00:38:18,625 --> 00:38:20,416 It wasn't a slam dunk. 763 00:38:20,416 --> 00:38:22,333 They didn't have the goods to get Warren 764 00:38:22,333 --> 00:38:24,208 for rape of a child themselves, 765 00:38:24,208 --> 00:38:25,833 but it was an accomplice to rape, 766 00:38:25,833 --> 00:38:27,791 which is a serious charge in Utah. 767 00:38:27,791 --> 00:38:31,083 And Sam helped get all these witnesses, 768 00:38:31,083 --> 00:38:32,625 and that was the case. 769 00:38:32,625 --> 00:38:35,541 Can we prove that Warren Jeffs is responsible 770 00:38:35,541 --> 00:38:37,625 for this girl being married off to this guy 771 00:38:37,625 --> 00:38:39,291 and being raped? 772 00:38:39,291 --> 00:38:42,416 When I was young, my mother taught me 773 00:38:42,416 --> 00:38:45,625 that evil flourishes when good men do nothing. 774 00:38:46,916 --> 00:38:49,416 This has not been easy for us. 775 00:38:49,416 --> 00:38:52,250 The easy thing would have been to do nothing. 776 00:38:53,250 --> 00:38:55,000 [Jon] Sam is really obsessive. 777 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,166 I mean, I'm obsessive, but not like Sam. 778 00:38:57,166 --> 00:39:00,791 And he was on this case, and he was not gonna let it go. 779 00:39:00,791 --> 00:39:02,958 [Warren] They talk to the Gentiles, 780 00:39:02,958 --> 00:39:05,583 and the whole world gets angry at us, 781 00:39:05,583 --> 00:39:08,250 calling us wicked. 782 00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:10,541 We have a strength 783 00:39:10,541 --> 00:39:13,666 stronger than all the anger 784 00:39:13,666 --> 00:39:15,625 the world could bring upon us. 785 00:39:19,125 --> 00:39:20,625 [Jon] Sam was smart. 786 00:39:20,625 --> 00:39:22,166 He knew local law enforcement was worthless. 787 00:39:22,166 --> 00:39:23,375 They were all FLDS. 788 00:39:23,375 --> 00:39:25,166 They were all in Warren's pocket. 789 00:39:25,166 --> 00:39:28,291 They weren't gonna do shit. He had to go further than that. 790 00:39:28,291 --> 00:39:30,000 And the goal was, we gotta get him 791 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,791 on the FBI Ten Most Wanted list. 792 00:39:31,791 --> 00:39:33,416 And he had good connections with the FBI. 793 00:39:33,416 --> 00:39:35,833 And I spoke to some of these FBI agents, 794 00:39:35,833 --> 00:39:37,458 and it worked. 795 00:39:37,458 --> 00:39:38,833 It took some luck, 796 00:39:38,833 --> 00:39:41,666 and it took a lot of agents sticking their neck out, 797 00:39:41,666 --> 00:39:44,125 but they got him on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list 798 00:39:44,125 --> 00:39:45,833 with Osama bin Laden. 799 00:39:45,833 --> 00:39:48,500 I mean, he was in the big time, and that changed everything. 800 00:39:50,166 --> 00:39:52,166 So, now Warren has a target on his back. 801 00:39:52,166 --> 00:39:53,833 The feds are after him. 802 00:39:53,833 --> 00:39:56,583 He knows he's gotta go on the run, he's gotta go underground. 803 00:39:57,958 --> 00:39:59,500 [Warren] I am not safe here. 804 00:40:01,041 --> 00:40:04,291 There is not a oneness drawing from the heavens, 805 00:40:04,291 --> 00:40:07,000 the protection needed to keep me here. 806 00:40:08,208 --> 00:40:11,333 And now the Lord has declared that my only protection 807 00:40:11,333 --> 00:40:14,875 will be to go into hiding among the wicked. 808 00:40:16,625 --> 00:40:18,250 Think of it. 809 00:40:19,708 --> 00:40:22,375 Warren Jeffs set it up before he was caught, 810 00:40:22,375 --> 00:40:24,250 a structure to carry out his orders 811 00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:27,583 in case he did get caught or he had to go underground. 812 00:40:27,583 --> 00:40:30,708 And so, Lyle Jeffs, his brother, 813 00:40:30,708 --> 00:40:32,708 has been put in charge. 814 00:40:32,708 --> 00:40:36,208 Father is his little patsy to do whatever he wants done. 815 00:40:36,208 --> 00:40:38,625 After Warren had moved out of town 816 00:40:38,625 --> 00:40:40,541 and was hiding from the law, 817 00:40:40,541 --> 00:40:42,375 then he became the bishop. 818 00:40:42,375 --> 00:40:44,750 And he's been loyal to Warren 819 00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:47,125 as long as I've known him. 820 00:40:47,125 --> 00:40:49,166 Even up to the day that I left, 821 00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:51,083 he was perfectly loyal. 822 00:40:51,083 --> 00:40:52,708 Whatever Warren wanted to happen, 823 00:40:52,708 --> 00:40:55,375 didn't matter what it was, he would do. 824 00:40:55,375 --> 00:40:58,708 The people there that follow Warren Jeffs 825 00:40:58,708 --> 00:41:02,125 have taken it upon themselves to do everything Warren says, 826 00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:04,375 to be completely obedient. 827 00:41:04,375 --> 00:41:07,375 And Warren has told them to give him their paycheck, 828 00:41:07,375 --> 00:41:08,833 everything they make. 829 00:41:08,833 --> 00:41:11,625 Not a portion of it, all of it. 830 00:41:11,625 --> 00:41:14,625 The only things they have, including food, 831 00:41:14,625 --> 00:41:19,750 is what the bishop, Lyle Jeffs, says they can have. 832 00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:21,958 So they're in a real predicament. 833 00:41:22,833 --> 00:41:24,583 [Warren] There is only one man 834 00:41:24,583 --> 00:41:26,458 on the Earth at a time, 835 00:41:26,458 --> 00:41:28,750 who holds the keys of power... 836 00:41:30,416 --> 00:41:34,166 and all other priesthood bearers 837 00:41:34,166 --> 00:41:38,458 only have authority to do the Prophet's will. 838 00:41:40,166 --> 00:41:41,583 Warren's being pursued 839 00:41:41,583 --> 00:41:43,458 by law enforcement all around the country, 840 00:41:43,458 --> 00:41:45,916 but that doesn't mean we're just gonna sit on the couch 841 00:41:45,916 --> 00:41:47,750 and wait around for him to be caught. 842 00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:50,750 Sam was out beating the bushes-- more tips, more information. 843 00:41:50,750 --> 00:41:53,625 And every time we got a tip, you know, he and I were on it. 844 00:41:53,625 --> 00:41:58,375 I had found out about this compound in Mancos, 845 00:41:58,375 --> 00:42:00,291 and that's when Jon and I decided 846 00:42:00,291 --> 00:42:02,458 that we needed to go check this place out. 847 00:42:02,458 --> 00:42:03,708 [Jon] He called me up and said, 848 00:42:03,708 --> 00:42:05,458 "You're not gonna believe this story. 849 00:42:05,458 --> 00:42:07,333 This young girl, Janetta Jessop, 850 00:42:07,333 --> 00:42:09,833 you know, disappeared from her family in Short Creek, 851 00:42:09,833 --> 00:42:13,625 and she was married off to be one of Warren's wives." 852 00:42:13,625 --> 00:42:16,458 I got to where I couldn't sleep, I couldn't eat, 853 00:42:16,458 --> 00:42:19,333 I couldn't focus, I couldn't think. 854 00:42:19,333 --> 00:42:21,125 So I broke the rules on purpose. 855 00:42:21,125 --> 00:42:23,166 I just used the phone, that's it. 856 00:42:23,166 --> 00:42:25,708 And another sister, who had already left the religion, 857 00:42:25,708 --> 00:42:27,708 you know, was trying to rescue her. 858 00:42:27,708 --> 00:42:29,666 And Sam said, "We gotta do something. 859 00:42:29,666 --> 00:42:31,375 Here's the details." 860 00:42:31,375 --> 00:42:34,416 I told her, "I'm somewhere I don't want to be, 861 00:42:34,416 --> 00:42:36,083 and I need your help. 862 00:42:36,083 --> 00:42:38,250 I want to get out of here, you know." 863 00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:40,333 So, you know, he drove from Utah, 864 00:42:40,333 --> 00:42:42,708 and I drove from the front range of Colorado. 865 00:42:42,708 --> 00:42:45,083 And the next day, we went out to check out 866 00:42:45,083 --> 00:42:47,083 this weird and these beautiful mountains. 867 00:42:47,083 --> 00:42:49,375 I mean, Warren has really good taste in real estate 868 00:42:49,375 --> 00:42:51,000 and he picks good places. 869 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,333 He's got unlimited money. 870 00:42:52,333 --> 00:42:54,000 It's this beautiful place below the San Juan Mountains, 871 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,416 and he built these, you know, really attractive log homes. 872 00:42:58,416 --> 00:43:00,958 Our secrecy was blown by a television reporter 873 00:43:00,958 --> 00:43:04,666 who told us, you know, he'd wait until we checked it out. 874 00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:07,583 [reporter] Nestled at the base 875 00:43:07,583 --> 00:43:09,583 of the majestic Rocky Mountains, 876 00:43:09,583 --> 00:43:12,291 in the southwest corner of Colorado, 877 00:43:12,291 --> 00:43:14,750 the tiny town of Mancos rocked today 878 00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:18,583 with talk about the new folks in the community: 879 00:43:18,583 --> 00:43:20,625 the polygamists who recently bought 880 00:43:20,625 --> 00:43:24,125 about 60 acres just outside of town. 881 00:43:24,125 --> 00:43:26,250 [Jon] Warren Jeffs was there at the time. 882 00:43:26,250 --> 00:43:28,458 Janetta Jessop was there. 883 00:43:28,458 --> 00:43:30,375 It was an opportunity we lost. 884 00:43:31,875 --> 00:43:34,625 When one of the other ladies found me, she told me, 885 00:43:34,625 --> 00:43:38,375 she says, "If you don't tell him what you did, 886 00:43:38,375 --> 00:43:40,125 then I will." 887 00:43:40,125 --> 00:43:43,208 And she was serious. I'm like, "Okay, then I'll tell him." 888 00:43:43,208 --> 00:43:44,750 So, that night I told him, 889 00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:47,500 and that night he sent me home to my parents. 890 00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:50,458 And the very next day, the very next day, 891 00:43:50,458 --> 00:43:52,583 that's when Child Protective Services came. 892 00:43:52,583 --> 00:43:57,500 And they took me down to St. George without my parents 893 00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:00,250 and questioned me. 894 00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:02,083 And 20 questions, you know. 895 00:44:02,083 --> 00:44:03,666 But Warren Jeffs told me, he says, 896 00:44:03,666 --> 00:44:05,750 "If you tell them what they want to know, 897 00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:07,583 then, because you're not 18, 898 00:44:07,583 --> 00:44:10,416 they'll put you into foster care." 899 00:44:12,791 --> 00:44:15,333 [Warren] Outwardly, 900 00:44:15,333 --> 00:44:16,791 you're all beautiful. 901 00:44:17,791 --> 00:44:19,583 You dress right. 902 00:44:19,583 --> 00:44:21,708 You learned to do your hair right. 903 00:44:21,708 --> 00:44:23,833 But, inwardly, 904 00:44:23,833 --> 00:44:27,666 some of you ladies are so far distant from me, 905 00:44:27,666 --> 00:44:31,708 you don't even comprehend what oneness is. 906 00:44:31,708 --> 00:44:35,125 Your condition of a lack of oneness 907 00:44:35,125 --> 00:44:37,041 is driving me away. 908 00:44:38,416 --> 00:44:40,583 And over a period of time, we start finding out 909 00:44:40,583 --> 00:44:44,250 that, my gosh, Warren's spreading out, you know, 910 00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:46,541 which is really disconcerting, 911 00:44:46,541 --> 00:44:50,041 you know, from a criminal justice standpoint. 912 00:44:53,291 --> 00:44:54,791 [Jon] This place is important. 913 00:44:54,791 --> 00:44:57,208 It looks like they're building a deep bunker. 914 00:44:57,208 --> 00:44:58,833 They built a concrete batch plant 915 00:44:58,833 --> 00:45:01,250 'cause they're gonna be pouring so much concrete. 916 00:45:01,250 --> 00:45:03,458 It looks like, if I had to guess, this could be a bunker 917 00:45:03,458 --> 00:45:07,541 where the elite will ride out, you know, the apocalypse. 918 00:45:10,750 --> 00:45:12,666 [Sam] Is that-- What is that, a hole in the ground? 919 00:45:12,666 --> 00:45:14,375 [man] Yeah, there's-- 920 00:45:14,375 --> 00:45:16,708 I mean, there's like three football fields there. 921 00:45:16,708 --> 00:45:19,291 Three football fields? Wow. 922 00:45:19,291 --> 00:45:20,666 I'll bet it is. 923 00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:25,833 [Rick] I mean, this is as remote as it gets. 924 00:45:25,833 --> 00:45:28,333 -It's quiet down there. -Yeah. 925 00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:30,166 The girls are always quiet. 926 00:45:30,166 --> 00:45:33,375 You hear kids, but very seldom now. 927 00:45:33,375 --> 00:45:35,333 Before, we used to hear the kids. 928 00:45:35,333 --> 00:45:38,583 Yeah. Have you seen any-- like those big Conex boxes, 929 00:45:38,583 --> 00:45:40,625 sea containers, coming in or anything like that? 930 00:45:40,625 --> 00:45:42,791 [Karl] Well, that comes in on the flatbed, 931 00:45:42,791 --> 00:45:45,166 if not once a week, every other week. 932 00:45:45,166 --> 00:45:47,916 -Oh, yeah? -There's a semi that comes in, 933 00:45:47,916 --> 00:45:51,875 and it's usually about six o'clock, seven o'clock, at dusk. 934 00:45:54,458 --> 00:45:57,166 [Sam] They're not static. They're dynamic, you know. 935 00:45:57,166 --> 00:45:59,333 And they're at the whims of a madman. 936 00:45:59,333 --> 00:46:02,875 So, anything can happen at any time. 937 00:46:07,166 --> 00:46:08,708 [Jon] This is beautiful this morning, 938 00:46:08,708 --> 00:46:10,708 but it's kind of the least attractive. 939 00:46:10,708 --> 00:46:13,291 You know, Colorado. It's Mancos. 940 00:46:13,291 --> 00:46:15,208 And the beautiful woods below the San Juan Mountains, 941 00:46:15,208 --> 00:46:16,791 and South Dakota. 942 00:46:16,791 --> 00:46:18,833 -It's in the Black Hills and-- -Yeah. 943 00:46:18,833 --> 00:46:21,458 It's really, uh... [chuckles] 944 00:46:21,458 --> 00:46:25,208 I guess when you got unlimited money to spend and-- 945 00:46:26,208 --> 00:46:29,166 But this is where he built a new church-- 946 00:46:29,166 --> 00:46:30,541 Jerusalem-type. 947 00:46:30,541 --> 00:46:33,875 -Yeah. -Zion. This is Zion, yeah. 948 00:46:34,916 --> 00:46:37,375 [Jon] You know, they bought this 1,800 acres or whatever 949 00:46:37,375 --> 00:46:40,583 four miles down the road from what turned out to be 950 00:46:40,583 --> 00:46:44,083 this brilliant and dogged reporter, you know, 951 00:46:44,083 --> 00:46:46,583 one-man newspaper, 952 00:46:46,583 --> 00:46:48,791 who, uh... [chuckles] 953 00:46:48,791 --> 00:46:52,583 -I know. -who didn't just blow it off. 954 00:46:52,583 --> 00:46:54,583 Mm-hmm. 955 00:46:57,541 --> 00:46:59,416 You know, ten years ago, 956 00:46:59,416 --> 00:47:02,041 we had never heard of Warren Jeffs or the FLDS, 957 00:47:02,041 --> 00:47:06,791 or didn't even think polygamy still existed in America. 958 00:47:06,791 --> 00:47:09,333 So, when we first learned about this, 959 00:47:09,333 --> 00:47:10,916 we were afraid 960 00:47:10,916 --> 00:47:13,583 we were gonna blow this story out of proportion, 961 00:47:13,583 --> 00:47:15,458 that we were overreporting it, 962 00:47:15,458 --> 00:47:19,541 and that we weren't gonna do service to the story. 963 00:47:19,541 --> 00:47:21,125 So, you came into town 964 00:47:21,125 --> 00:47:23,375 just as we were putting out our very first paper. 965 00:47:23,375 --> 00:47:25,333 And I walked in. 966 00:47:25,333 --> 00:47:27,750 Kathy and I had not met you yet. 967 00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:31,958 And you kind of put us at ease and explained to us 968 00:47:31,958 --> 00:47:34,291 that you thought we had gotten the story about right. 969 00:47:34,291 --> 00:47:37,583 [Jon] It must've even freaked you out when they came here 970 00:47:37,583 --> 00:47:39,916 and you found out that they'd bought 1,200 acres, 971 00:47:39,916 --> 00:47:42,291 -or something like that. -More like 1,600. 972 00:47:42,291 --> 00:47:44,500 [Kathy] No, 1,691. 973 00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:47,416 -1,691 acres. -1,691 acres. 974 00:47:47,416 --> 00:47:49,875 Wow. I mean, that's a big ranch. 975 00:47:54,125 --> 00:47:56,041 Back in 2004, 976 00:47:56,041 --> 00:47:59,041 our local newspaper editor, Randy Mankin, 977 00:47:59,041 --> 00:48:01,958 made a phone call to me at my house. 978 00:48:01,958 --> 00:48:04,500 So, that's the first that I actually had heard about it. 979 00:48:06,125 --> 00:48:08,083 By then, you know, the newspaper had already done 980 00:48:08,083 --> 00:48:10,708 an article on it and what it was possibly linked to. 981 00:48:10,708 --> 00:48:12,166 So, there was a lot of interest. 982 00:48:12,166 --> 00:48:13,833 There was a lot of fear in the community-- 983 00:48:13,833 --> 00:48:16,500 what they may be about, what they could be about. 984 00:48:18,083 --> 00:48:19,375 When it was confirmed 985 00:48:19,375 --> 00:48:21,791 that they were Fundamentalist Latter-day Saints, 986 00:48:21,791 --> 00:48:24,500 that's basically what we had, you know, to overcome, 987 00:48:24,500 --> 00:48:26,083 a huge learning curve, 988 00:48:26,083 --> 00:48:28,041 in order to find out about this group, 989 00:48:28,041 --> 00:48:31,125 'cause we, frankly, didn't know anything about 'em. 990 00:48:31,125 --> 00:48:34,583 -JD? Good to see you. -How're you doing, buddy? 991 00:48:36,666 --> 00:48:40,250 [Jon] Randy arranged for me to fly with JD in his plane, 992 00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:43,625 and we got up at dawn and took off through the fog. 993 00:48:43,625 --> 00:48:46,208 And, you know, just through our first pass-- 994 00:48:46,208 --> 00:48:49,000 you know, we're moving fast, and I had a telephoto lens-- 995 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,750 I saw people and cars on the right side of the temple. 996 00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:53,208 So, I just start clicking. 997 00:48:53,208 --> 00:48:55,541 And, you know, I didn't really know what I was seeing. 998 00:48:55,541 --> 00:48:58,958 And did another pass, and clicking, clicking, clicking. 999 00:48:58,958 --> 00:49:01,708 And by the third pass, they were all gone 1000 00:49:01,708 --> 00:49:05,041 and there were a couple of SUV's zooming away. 1001 00:49:05,041 --> 00:49:07,708 So, we landed, and I went to Randy's office 1002 00:49:07,708 --> 00:49:10,375 and downloaded my digital camera and-- 1003 00:49:10,375 --> 00:49:12,208 "Holy shit. Look at this." 1004 00:49:12,208 --> 00:49:14,250 There's a tall, skinny guy surrounded. 1005 00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:17,041 When we first flew over, they were kind of a loose group. 1006 00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:19,208 And then they all huddled around him, 1007 00:49:19,208 --> 00:49:21,708 like to protect him like penguins or something. 1008 00:49:21,708 --> 00:49:23,583 And I looked at this picture 1009 00:49:23,583 --> 00:49:25,416 and, man, that's Warren, I think. 1010 00:49:25,416 --> 00:49:26,958 And there's like 70 people, 1011 00:49:26,958 --> 00:49:28,583 and they're all dressed in their Sunday best. 1012 00:49:31,041 --> 00:49:32,666 [Randy] Once we saw 1013 00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:35,250 the enlarged version of this photo, 1014 00:49:35,250 --> 00:49:36,666 we were fairly certain 1015 00:49:36,666 --> 00:49:39,041 that it was, indeed, Warren Jeffs who was here. 1016 00:49:39,041 --> 00:49:40,791 Something fairly important was going on. 1017 00:49:40,791 --> 00:49:43,375 As it turned out, we learned that 1018 00:49:43,375 --> 00:49:46,083 that was the temple dedication. 1019 00:49:46,083 --> 00:49:48,250 And so, we knew then that was not just-- 1020 00:49:48,250 --> 00:49:51,416 it wasn't just gonna be a cluster of little houses, 1021 00:49:51,416 --> 00:49:55,083 that they were, indeed, gonna build something grander. 1022 00:49:55,083 --> 00:49:57,125 Yeah, it was gonna be the world headquarters 1023 00:49:57,125 --> 00:49:59,750 of the FLDS church right here. 1024 00:49:59,750 --> 00:50:01,208 Of Warren Jeffs' theological empire. 1025 00:50:01,208 --> 00:50:03,083 Right here in Schleicher County. 1026 00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:05,458 [Randy] Right. That was a breakthrough photo. 1027 00:50:07,333 --> 00:50:09,833 [Jon] We knew that this is where they're coming, 1028 00:50:09,833 --> 00:50:13,250 and we had suspicions that this is the big place, 1029 00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:15,458 this is the Zion, this is the new-- 1030 00:50:15,458 --> 00:50:17,125 this is Zion. 1031 00:50:17,125 --> 00:50:19,125 [Thomas] You know, I was in my truck, 1032 00:50:19,125 --> 00:50:22,625 watching 24 , season six, I remember. 1033 00:50:23,791 --> 00:50:25,708 I was right in the middle of it, 1034 00:50:25,708 --> 00:50:28,125 and Father called me up 1035 00:50:28,125 --> 00:50:31,416 and says, you know, "What are you doing?" 1036 00:50:31,416 --> 00:50:34,458 And I'm just like, ah, "Oh, nothing really. 1037 00:50:34,458 --> 00:50:38,000 Just kind of just, you know, cleaning up the shop." 1038 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,416 Just trying to evade, you know, being caught. 1039 00:50:41,416 --> 00:50:44,083 And he says, "Well, come over to my office and talk to me." 1040 00:50:44,083 --> 00:50:46,791 And I thought, "Oh, man... I am caught. 1041 00:50:46,791 --> 00:50:49,083 I'm in big trouble." 1042 00:50:49,083 --> 00:50:51,916 You know, so I went over there and we chatted for a minute, 1043 00:50:51,916 --> 00:50:54,000 and he says, 1044 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,666 "Well, the Lord has whispered your name to the Prophet, 1045 00:50:57,666 --> 00:51:00,625 and you get to go down on the ranch. 1046 00:51:00,625 --> 00:51:02,250 So, pack your bags." 1047 00:51:02,250 --> 00:51:05,666 And I was just like, "Really? Is that what all this is about?" 1048 00:51:07,208 --> 00:51:09,458 I thought I was-- for sure I was in trouble. 1049 00:51:09,458 --> 00:51:10,875 But he-- 1050 00:51:10,875 --> 00:51:14,208 You know, it was, like, okay. 1051 00:51:14,208 --> 00:51:17,250 So, you know, I left there, and you know what? 1052 00:51:17,250 --> 00:51:19,500 I'm not gonna get another chance to watch a movie, 1053 00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:21,041 so I'm gonna go finish this. 1054 00:51:22,541 --> 00:51:25,083 So, I went and finished that season. 1055 00:51:27,208 --> 00:51:30,541 And then, of course, I packed bags 1056 00:51:30,541 --> 00:51:32,458 and moved down on the ranch. 1057 00:51:33,958 --> 00:51:37,541 [Warren] To go on with me in the redemption of Zion, 1058 00:51:37,541 --> 00:51:40,875 you must be filled with the heavenly fire, 1059 00:51:40,875 --> 00:51:43,291 or you will be damned 1060 00:51:43,291 --> 00:51:46,208 and you will lose your place. 1061 00:51:46,208 --> 00:51:49,291 How much more straight do I have to talk? 1062 00:51:52,166 --> 00:51:57,125 I was sent away in December of 2010... 1063 00:51:58,083 --> 00:52:01,166 because I was, supposedly, immoral. 1064 00:52:01,166 --> 00:52:03,250 I don't know why. 1065 00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:06,250 I was actually put in charge of the dairy down there. 1066 00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:08,458 My schedule was pretty darn full. 1067 00:52:08,458 --> 00:52:11,791 I mean, I had to wake up at 2:30, go milk cows. 1068 00:52:11,791 --> 00:52:14,125 After that, it was prayers 1069 00:52:14,125 --> 00:52:17,583 and had to go straight into working construction. 1070 00:52:17,583 --> 00:52:21,875 Working, doing whatever project they had going on. 1071 00:52:21,875 --> 00:52:25,583 And they only gave you two hours of sleep. 1072 00:52:25,583 --> 00:52:29,500 I went to bed at midnight, one o'clock. 1073 00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:32,916 Had to get back up at 2:30 in the morning, every morning. 1074 00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:35,250 All the men-- 1075 00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:38,333 I mean, even the boys were supposed to work those hours. 1076 00:52:38,333 --> 00:52:40,791 I mean, boys that are, 1077 00:52:40,791 --> 00:52:44,375 you know, 13, 14, all the way up to-- 1078 00:52:44,375 --> 00:52:46,000 Even the old men. 1079 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,083 I mean, men that are, you know, 60-plus years old, 1080 00:52:48,083 --> 00:52:50,208 they had to be out there working, too. 1081 00:52:50,208 --> 00:52:54,291 So, it was really just a slave camp, to say the least. 1082 00:52:55,416 --> 00:52:58,625 You could see in a lot of the people's eyes 1083 00:52:58,625 --> 00:53:01,750 where they... they didn't feel good, 1084 00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:03,875 but they had to keep pushing. 1085 00:53:03,875 --> 00:53:07,166 I mean, if-- The way he put it is, 1086 00:53:07,166 --> 00:53:09,333 you work until you're tired, 1087 00:53:09,333 --> 00:53:11,666 and you ask the Lord for strength to continue on, 1088 00:53:11,666 --> 00:53:13,125 and you keep pushing. 1089 00:53:17,083 --> 00:53:18,875 [Sam] If you're a young man 1090 00:53:18,875 --> 00:53:22,166 and you want to try and distinguish yourself somehow, 1091 00:53:22,166 --> 00:53:25,041 you want to do well in the church. 1092 00:53:25,041 --> 00:53:27,208 About the only way to do that 1093 00:53:27,208 --> 00:53:30,166 is to contribute more money. 1094 00:53:30,166 --> 00:53:32,416 If you can bring in more money, you can get a wife. 1095 00:53:32,416 --> 00:53:35,208 If you can get a wife, you can have children. 1096 00:53:35,208 --> 00:53:37,166 If you can have children, 1097 00:53:37,166 --> 00:53:39,125 you can start placing these children, 1098 00:53:39,125 --> 00:53:42,208 you know, if they're girls, in prominent homes 1099 00:53:42,208 --> 00:53:44,625 and maybe with church leaders. 1100 00:53:44,625 --> 00:53:46,666 And you can start getting more wives. 1101 00:53:46,666 --> 00:53:48,875 And your sons can go to work, 1102 00:53:48,875 --> 00:53:51,250 and you can have lots of labor 1103 00:53:51,250 --> 00:53:54,333 and build up your business, and make more money, 1104 00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:56,333 and contribute more, 1105 00:53:56,333 --> 00:53:58,458 and get more wives, and have more children. 1106 00:53:58,458 --> 00:54:01,500 And that's the cycle of things within the FLDS. 1107 00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:04,208 The currency is, 1108 00:54:04,208 --> 00:54:07,125 without question, women and children. 1109 00:54:07,125 --> 00:54:10,375 That's what makes this society, 1110 00:54:10,375 --> 00:54:12,625 this... this.. 1111 00:54:12,625 --> 00:54:14,333 syndicate, run. 1112 00:54:15,375 --> 00:54:17,541 Man, a couple of times, we thought, "We got him. 1113 00:54:17,541 --> 00:54:18,958 He's in our grasp." 1114 00:54:18,958 --> 00:54:20,791 But it turns out he was always a step ahead of us. 1115 00:54:20,791 --> 00:54:23,958 You know, he was a fugitive from justice through the FBI. 1116 00:54:23,958 --> 00:54:27,125 So, that was, you know, through the whole United States. 1117 00:54:27,125 --> 00:54:29,833 But he was being looked for in Utah. 1118 00:54:29,833 --> 00:54:32,291 He was being looked for in Las Vegas, Nevada, 1119 00:54:32,291 --> 00:54:35,208 and up in that area where he was known to travel a lot. 1120 00:54:35,208 --> 00:54:38,375 They actually did pretty good, I'd say, 1121 00:54:38,375 --> 00:54:40,708 as far as evading the FBI. 1122 00:54:40,708 --> 00:54:42,750 You know, they kept the burner phones. 1123 00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:44,291 That's what we called them. 1124 00:54:44,291 --> 00:54:46,291 It's the cheap pre-paids. 1125 00:54:46,291 --> 00:54:49,916 He kept just each different circle, 1126 00:54:49,916 --> 00:54:51,666 and those phones in that circle 1127 00:54:51,666 --> 00:54:54,500 did not call outside that circle. 1128 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:56,416 And, really, that's kind of how 1129 00:54:56,416 --> 00:55:00,666 they kept away from the law for that long. 1130 00:55:00,666 --> 00:55:04,125 [attorney] Let me call your attention to Exhibit 7. 1131 00:55:05,416 --> 00:55:09,625 It says there: "No person, no court, 1132 00:55:09,625 --> 00:55:13,625 no government, no people on the face of the whole Earth 1133 00:55:13,625 --> 00:55:17,416 has the right or authority to bring God into question 1134 00:55:17,416 --> 00:55:21,833 what He has His prophets do in the celestial law." 1135 00:55:23,416 --> 00:55:26,041 [Jon] He went on this kind of tour of America 1136 00:55:26,041 --> 00:55:28,708 where he got his people he trusted most, 1137 00:55:28,708 --> 00:55:30,583 and they dressed in civilian clothes, 1138 00:55:30,583 --> 00:55:34,541 and he went to some of the famous places in the LDS history 1139 00:55:34,541 --> 00:55:36,458 because the FLDS think they're the true church. 1140 00:55:36,458 --> 00:55:39,625 The Mormon Church was perverted when it gave up polygamy, 1141 00:55:39,625 --> 00:55:41,583 you know, in the nineteenth century. 1142 00:55:41,583 --> 00:55:44,625 It was not about him running, 1143 00:55:44,625 --> 00:55:47,791 although that's the impression he gave the people. 1144 00:55:47,791 --> 00:55:51,333 It was about him being able to live the good life 1145 00:55:51,333 --> 00:55:52,958 and drive big, fancy cars, 1146 00:55:52,958 --> 00:55:55,541 and go to the beach, and go to Disneyland, 1147 00:55:55,541 --> 00:55:57,583 and live this double life, 1148 00:55:57,583 --> 00:56:00,375 and then come back and be this pious prophet. 1149 00:56:00,375 --> 00:56:02,125 I don't know how many times 1150 00:56:02,125 --> 00:56:03,500 he might've been pulled over for speeding, 1151 00:56:03,500 --> 00:56:06,083 or he was pulled over when he was riding a motorcycle. 1152 00:56:06,083 --> 00:56:07,916 He had definitely been in the clutches. 1153 00:56:07,916 --> 00:56:10,041 He didn't have his I.D. saying "I'm Warren Jeffs." 1154 00:56:10,041 --> 00:56:11,500 He'd give a fake name. 1155 00:56:11,500 --> 00:56:13,541 But because he was on the Ten Most Wanted list, 1156 00:56:13,541 --> 00:56:15,458 he happened to be pulled over 1157 00:56:15,458 --> 00:56:18,125 20 miles north of Las Vegas on Interstate 15 1158 00:56:18,125 --> 00:56:20,708 by a cop who was aware. 1159 00:56:20,708 --> 00:56:23,666 Warren Jeffs' name stuck in the back of his mind. 1160 00:56:23,666 --> 00:56:25,916 There was Warren and one of his wives 1161 00:56:25,916 --> 00:56:27,458 and his brother in the car, 1162 00:56:27,458 --> 00:56:29,208 and they were carrying all this cash. 1163 00:56:29,208 --> 00:56:31,125 They had all these computers. 1164 00:56:31,125 --> 00:56:32,625 [Sam] And then he looked in the backseat, 1165 00:56:32,625 --> 00:56:34,416 and Warren was in the backseat, 1166 00:56:34,416 --> 00:56:36,083 and he was eating a salad, 1167 00:56:36,083 --> 00:56:37,666 and he wouldn't even look at the trooper. 1168 00:56:37,666 --> 00:56:39,208 He just kept eating the salad. 1169 00:56:39,208 --> 00:56:41,250 But the trooper said, in his testimony, 1170 00:56:41,250 --> 00:56:42,708 that when he looked at Warren, 1171 00:56:42,708 --> 00:56:45,375 he could see the jugular vein on his neck 1172 00:56:45,375 --> 00:56:47,833 throbbing and going back and forth, 1173 00:56:47,833 --> 00:56:51,000 and he said that was a sure sign something was wrong. 1174 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,833 So, he had them all get out of the car. 1175 00:56:53,833 --> 00:56:56,458 [Jon] He stopped them because they had a temporary plate. 1176 00:56:56,458 --> 00:56:58,541 It was legal, but it was kind of obscured. 1177 00:56:58,541 --> 00:57:01,500 And he separates them and starts asking questions, 1178 00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:03,875 and they all give the cop a different story 1179 00:57:03,875 --> 00:57:05,416 about where they're going, what they're doing, 1180 00:57:05,416 --> 00:57:06,791 and he can just smell it. 1181 00:57:06,791 --> 00:57:09,500 And finally he asks, "Are you Warren Jeffs?" 1182 00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:10,875 And Warren says, "Yes." 1183 00:57:10,875 --> 00:57:13,666 And once they realized it was Warren, word spread. 1184 00:57:13,666 --> 00:57:16,708 It was like, "My God, they got him." 1185 00:57:16,708 --> 00:57:18,208 [officer] I'd like to announce the arrest 1186 00:57:18,208 --> 00:57:21,583 of FBI Top Ten Most Wanted fugitive Warren Steed Jeffs. 1187 00:57:22,625 --> 00:57:27,458 I saw on TV that he had been caught down in Las Vegas. 1188 00:57:27,458 --> 00:57:30,541 You know, all these years, he preached about, 1189 00:57:30,541 --> 00:57:32,875 you know, not being worldly, 1190 00:57:32,875 --> 00:57:35,833 which meant not dressing like the people in the outside world, 1191 00:57:35,833 --> 00:57:38,041 and the color red is forbidden 1192 00:57:38,041 --> 00:57:40,041 and, you know, all these things. 1193 00:57:40,041 --> 00:57:42,083 And how perfect that he got caught 1194 00:57:42,083 --> 00:57:44,375 basically, you could say, with his pants down 1195 00:57:44,375 --> 00:57:48,625 and in such a stupid, little traffic stop. 1196 00:57:48,625 --> 00:57:51,666 I mean, it was just perfect how everything went down. 1197 00:57:53,333 --> 00:57:55,583 [Elaine] I can only imagine 1198 00:57:55,583 --> 00:57:57,541 that there was some kind of devastation 1199 00:57:57,541 --> 00:57:59,916 that he even got caught, in the first place. 1200 00:57:59,916 --> 00:58:04,000 I think he imagined that he was so far above the law 1201 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,583 and that he could get away with anything. 1202 00:58:08,166 --> 00:58:11,083 [Jon] He went through a period, when he was on trial, 1203 00:58:11,083 --> 00:58:15,583 where he started telling the closest people to him-- 1204 00:58:15,583 --> 00:58:17,916 his brothers, his wives, 1205 00:58:17,916 --> 00:58:20,541 his bishops, his lawyers-- 1206 00:58:20,541 --> 00:58:22,666 that "I'm a fraud." 1207 00:59:05,833 --> 00:59:08,250 It was sort of the one moment when he was lucid 1208 00:59:08,250 --> 00:59:10,416 and honest and seeing reality. 1209 00:59:10,416 --> 00:59:12,958 But, you know, whenever he'd tell this to people, 1210 00:59:12,958 --> 00:59:16,333 they said, "No, no, no, this is just the devil speaking." 1211 00:59:16,333 --> 00:59:18,625 The people still believed that he was the Prophet. 1212 00:59:18,625 --> 00:59:21,333 They didn't believe that that was even true. 1213 00:59:21,333 --> 00:59:23,333 They said that, "Well, he was drugged" 1214 00:59:23,333 --> 00:59:25,500 or "It was a stunt double." 1215 00:59:50,166 --> 00:59:52,416 Eventually, he realized, 1216 00:59:52,416 --> 00:59:55,375 "Huh, you really can fool some of the people all the time. 1217 00:59:55,375 --> 00:59:58,250 I was just testing you. You know, I was just-- 1218 00:59:58,250 --> 01:00:01,375 It was just, Satan came to my cell and told me this, 1219 01:00:01,375 --> 01:00:04,166 and then I realized it was Satan making me say this." 1220 01:00:04,166 --> 01:00:05,833 And then he went back to: 1221 01:00:05,833 --> 01:00:08,208 "No, I'm the dude, and you better listen." 1222 01:00:14,041 --> 01:00:15,583 You have to be willing 1223 01:00:15,583 --> 01:00:18,750 to pass the tests that come upon you. 1224 01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:21,458 And the test will always be: 1225 01:00:21,458 --> 01:00:25,041 Will you love Heavenly Father and his prophets 1226 01:00:25,041 --> 01:00:27,250 more than your own selfishness? 1227 01:00:28,416 --> 01:00:29,833 While Warren was on trial 1228 01:00:29,833 --> 01:00:32,250 in southern Utah for the Elissa Wall case, 1229 01:00:32,250 --> 01:00:35,583 back in Texas things were developing fast. 1230 01:00:35,583 --> 01:00:37,833 I'll give David Doran credit for this. 1231 01:00:37,833 --> 01:00:40,833 I think he had a plan on the shelf that had been worked out 1232 01:00:40,833 --> 01:00:43,416 with the Texas Department of Public Safety, 1233 01:00:43,416 --> 01:00:45,166 with the Texas rangers. 1234 01:00:45,166 --> 01:00:50,583 They had a plan ready to go in case something happened, 1235 01:00:50,583 --> 01:00:54,000 and that something happened in April of 2008. 1236 01:00:54,958 --> 01:00:57,041 [Warren] All around us, 1237 01:00:57,041 --> 01:00:58,750 there are forces and powers 1238 01:00:58,750 --> 01:01:01,625 determined to enter in and destroy us, 1239 01:01:01,625 --> 01:01:04,541 our lives, our virtue, our faith. 1240 01:01:04,541 --> 01:01:06,416 [David] Child Protective Services 1241 01:01:06,416 --> 01:01:09,875 received numerous calls that there was a young lady 1242 01:01:09,875 --> 01:01:12,000 that was being abused on the ranch. 1243 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,750 And the counselor there had felt it was a legitimate call, 1244 01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:16,708 and she felt there was a need 1245 01:01:16,708 --> 01:01:18,791 to call law enforcement and call CPS. 1246 01:01:18,791 --> 01:01:20,833 [Jon] And this is not that far from Waco. 1247 01:01:20,833 --> 01:01:23,250 So, hanging over this whole thing is, 1248 01:01:23,250 --> 01:01:24,791 -That cloud. -we got all these kids. 1249 01:01:24,791 --> 01:01:26,875 We cannot have another Waco. 1250 01:01:26,875 --> 01:01:28,875 [automatic gunfire] 1251 01:01:37,791 --> 01:01:41,833 So anytime you get a group in your community 1252 01:01:41,833 --> 01:01:44,833 that has communal living, you can't help but think, 1253 01:01:44,833 --> 01:01:48,416 "Hey, we have a potential problem here like Waco." 1254 01:01:49,125 --> 01:01:51,125 The situation got a little more tense 1255 01:01:51,125 --> 01:01:53,166 when we were serving 1256 01:01:53,166 --> 01:01:55,208 the building-to-building search warrants. 1257 01:01:55,208 --> 01:01:58,000 In one of the areas was the temple. 1258 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,375 They physically surrounded the walls of the temple. 1259 01:02:01,375 --> 01:02:03,875 And from our understanding at that point in time, 1260 01:02:03,875 --> 01:02:05,833 they were actually praying for our destruction 1261 01:02:05,833 --> 01:02:07,083 before we went in. 1262 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,500 The children knew nothing. 1263 01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:12,166 [Randy] CPS got in the ranch. 1264 01:02:12,166 --> 01:02:15,083 They saw all these little girls that were either pregnant 1265 01:02:15,083 --> 01:02:18,541 or had already had a child, or both, 1266 01:02:18,541 --> 01:02:21,166 that were clearly underage. 1267 01:02:21,166 --> 01:02:22,916 What do you do? 1268 01:02:22,916 --> 01:02:25,333 Well, they started taking the kids off the ranch, 1269 01:02:25,333 --> 01:02:29,208 thinking there were just a few and they were gonna sort it out. 1270 01:02:29,208 --> 01:02:31,750 By the time the sun came up the next morning, 1271 01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:33,875 the state had a tiger by the tail. 1272 01:02:33,875 --> 01:02:35,125 And what do you do? 1273 01:02:35,125 --> 01:02:39,791 So, eventually, the judge, Judge Walther, said, 1274 01:02:39,791 --> 01:02:41,958 "Just get 'em off the ranch, and we'll sort it out." 1275 01:02:41,958 --> 01:02:44,166 At that time, we still only thought 1276 01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:46,583 there were only a handful of kids out there. 1277 01:02:46,583 --> 01:02:48,500 And when they started coming off the ranch, 1278 01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:52,666 they just kept coming and kept coming and kept coming. 1279 01:02:52,666 --> 01:02:54,708 A hundred, 200, 300. 1280 01:02:55,625 --> 01:02:57,416 I have three daughters in there 1281 01:02:57,416 --> 01:02:59,750 with little children still, 1282 01:02:59,750 --> 01:03:03,125 and I have five children that were my sister's, 1283 01:03:03,125 --> 01:03:04,875 and she passed away. 1284 01:03:04,875 --> 01:03:06,708 I'm the legal guardian. 1285 01:03:06,708 --> 01:03:10,500 And then I have six of my own, besides that, 1286 01:03:10,500 --> 01:03:12,833 that are still there, 1287 01:03:12,833 --> 01:03:17,458 and I don't know what's happening with them. 1288 01:03:17,458 --> 01:03:21,416 But I am-- I feel responsible for all those children, 1289 01:03:21,416 --> 01:03:23,250 and they took 'em away. 1290 01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:25,416 The appeals court ultimately ruled 1291 01:03:25,416 --> 01:03:29,458 that the district court had overstepped its bounds 1292 01:03:29,458 --> 01:03:31,916 in ordering all the children off the ranch, 1293 01:03:31,916 --> 01:03:34,625 and they ordered the kids to go back. 1294 01:03:34,625 --> 01:03:40,750 And the supreme court upheld the appeals court ruling. 1295 01:03:40,750 --> 01:03:42,791 The kids were all sent back. 1296 01:03:42,791 --> 01:03:45,041 We know now that a lot of the children 1297 01:03:45,041 --> 01:03:48,541 were returned to people who were not their parents. 1298 01:03:48,541 --> 01:03:50,583 It was just a fiasco. 1299 01:03:51,833 --> 01:03:53,416 [Sam] There were CPS investigators 1300 01:03:53,416 --> 01:03:55,375 that felt like they were doing the right thing. 1301 01:03:55,375 --> 01:03:58,291 They were there on the ground. They saw what was going on. 1302 01:03:58,291 --> 01:04:01,500 And they made a really tough decision 1303 01:04:01,500 --> 01:04:03,375 to pull all the children off that ranch, 1304 01:04:03,375 --> 01:04:05,416 because they were all in danger. 1305 01:04:05,416 --> 01:04:08,458 They had 'em here, and then they gave 'em back. 1306 01:04:10,208 --> 01:04:12,083 [Jon] But the raid wasn't a bust. 1307 01:04:12,083 --> 01:04:14,166 I mean, some good things came from the raid, right? 1308 01:04:14,166 --> 01:04:17,666 [Sam] Yeah. You know, there were 12 men arrested. 1309 01:04:17,666 --> 01:04:20,125 There were 11 convictions. 1310 01:04:20,125 --> 01:04:24,833 And it produced a treasure trove of documents, pictures, 1311 01:04:24,833 --> 01:04:28,625 and the Priesthood Record, which was used as evidence, 1312 01:04:28,625 --> 01:04:32,208 even now, and it will be for years to come. 1313 01:04:33,833 --> 01:04:37,583 They did find evidence of underage marriages. 1314 01:04:37,583 --> 01:04:41,000 They found evidence of pregnant underage girls, 1315 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,625 and that led into the Texas rangers 1316 01:04:44,625 --> 01:04:47,666 doing a subsequent criminal investigation 1317 01:04:47,666 --> 01:04:49,791 in where they identified the suspects 1318 01:04:49,791 --> 01:04:52,291 and they identified, you know, Warren Jeffs, as well, 1319 01:04:52,291 --> 01:04:54,625 being implicated in this crime, 1320 01:04:54,625 --> 01:04:57,000 in the crime of sexual abuse of a child. 1321 01:04:58,041 --> 01:05:00,666 I mean, we always knew how sick Warren was. 1322 01:05:00,666 --> 01:05:03,250 We'd have people tell us some of the things he'd done. 1323 01:05:03,250 --> 01:05:05,833 But we never really knew the magnitude of it-- 1324 01:05:05,833 --> 01:05:09,083 how sick he really was, how young the girls were. 1325 01:05:09,083 --> 01:05:12,666 There were so many insights into Warren's character 1326 01:05:12,666 --> 01:05:16,166 and his deviancy and his insanity, 1327 01:05:16,166 --> 01:05:19,166 that now here was the proof in his own words. 1328 01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:22,291 [attorney] Do you remember dictating 1329 01:05:22,291 --> 01:05:25,041 on November 24, 2003: 1330 01:05:25,041 --> 01:05:28,541 "The Lord is showing me the young girls of this community 1331 01:05:28,541 --> 01:05:31,791 will be taken care of at a younger age. 1332 01:05:31,791 --> 01:05:34,041 As the government finds out about this, 1333 01:05:34,041 --> 01:05:37,500 it will bring such a great pressure upon us, upon me, 1334 01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:41,375 and also upon the girls who are placed in marriage." 1335 01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:51,166 When Warren went to trial in Washington County, 1336 01:05:51,166 --> 01:05:53,916 there was a little bit of evidence, a recording, 1337 01:05:53,916 --> 01:05:57,500 of the rape of 12-year-old Merrianne Jessop. 1338 01:05:57,500 --> 01:06:01,416 And the tape portrayed just the most vile, 1339 01:06:01,416 --> 01:06:03,583 disgusting, 1340 01:06:03,583 --> 01:06:05,791 um, twisted... 1341 01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:09,916 scene you could ever imagine. 1342 01:06:11,416 --> 01:06:13,666 That tape was discovered, 1343 01:06:13,666 --> 01:06:15,791 and it was not admitted into evidence 1344 01:06:15,791 --> 01:06:19,041 because it was determined by the court 1345 01:06:19,041 --> 01:06:21,250 that it would be too inflammatory 1346 01:06:21,250 --> 01:06:23,583 to introduce it as evidence. 1347 01:06:23,583 --> 01:06:26,458 I want to congratulate the victims of Warren Jeffs, 1348 01:06:26,458 --> 01:06:28,458 who first were willing to come forward 1349 01:06:28,458 --> 01:06:31,083 and tell their stories to law enforcement, 1350 01:06:31,083 --> 01:06:35,000 who had the courage to go up against a man 1351 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:39,041 who everybody around them believed to be 1352 01:06:39,041 --> 01:06:41,083 the representative of God on Earth, 1353 01:06:41,083 --> 01:06:43,291 if not God himself on Earth. 1354 01:06:43,291 --> 01:06:46,000 It took great courage for them to come forward. 1355 01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,000 All this hard work. Utah, tough case. 1356 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,583 The prosecutors did a brilliant job. 1357 01:06:50,583 --> 01:06:52,333 You know, the case looked like they were losing, 1358 01:06:52,333 --> 01:06:55,541 and the prosecutor gave this tremendous closing argument. 1359 01:06:55,541 --> 01:06:59,791 You know, saved the day, conviction, jury votes, 1360 01:06:59,791 --> 01:07:03,000 convict this guy, send him away forever, 1361 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,291 you know, we hoped. 1362 01:07:05,291 --> 01:07:06,958 [reporter] Jurors deliberated 1363 01:07:06,958 --> 01:07:09,083 for about 16 hours over three days 1364 01:07:09,083 --> 01:07:12,166 before returning with a guilty verdict for Warren Jeffs, 1365 01:07:12,166 --> 01:07:15,000 seen here on the far left of the screen. 1366 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,166 He showed no emotion as the verdict was read. 1367 01:07:18,166 --> 01:07:19,708 He was convicted, 1368 01:07:19,708 --> 01:07:22,333 and then it was appealed to the state supreme court of Utah, 1369 01:07:22,333 --> 01:07:25,416 and it was overturned by a judge who had an agenda. 1370 01:07:25,416 --> 01:07:29,041 You know, it was-- it was very depressing. 1371 01:07:30,375 --> 01:07:32,333 [female reporter] Polygamist leader Warren Jeffs 1372 01:07:32,333 --> 01:07:34,333 getting a new trial after the Utah supreme court 1373 01:07:34,333 --> 01:07:36,666 reversed the convictions against him, 1374 01:07:36,666 --> 01:07:38,916 the court ruling the jury members 1375 01:07:38,916 --> 01:07:42,416 received the wrong instructions when they made their decision. 1376 01:07:42,416 --> 01:07:46,291 The court announced its decision on the very morning 1377 01:07:46,291 --> 01:07:48,958 Jeffs was supposed to have his extradition hearing 1378 01:07:48,958 --> 01:07:51,916 for charges he faces in Texas. 1379 01:07:51,916 --> 01:07:55,375 Once the raid happened, suddenly Texas charges 1380 01:07:55,375 --> 01:07:59,250 were much more serious than those Arizona or Utah had, 1381 01:07:59,250 --> 01:08:01,375 and those two states 1382 01:08:01,375 --> 01:08:04,333 were willing to step back and let Texas take the lead. 1383 01:08:08,541 --> 01:08:11,375 When I first met Warren, what struck me is 1384 01:08:11,375 --> 01:08:14,583 he was kind of like a guy that was in his own bubble, 1385 01:08:14,583 --> 01:08:16,291 in his own world. 1386 01:08:16,291 --> 01:08:19,375 There was times that we'd observe him on camera, 1387 01:08:19,375 --> 01:08:20,750 that he would just-- 1388 01:08:20,750 --> 01:08:22,542 Well, right here, he would just sit there, 1389 01:08:22,542 --> 01:08:24,082 and he would stare in the mirror. 1390 01:08:24,082 --> 01:08:25,958 I mean, he would stare at himself in the mirror 1391 01:08:25,958 --> 01:08:28,291 for 30, 45 minutes. 1392 01:08:28,291 --> 01:08:30,207 Just sitting there, staring at himself. 1393 01:08:30,207 --> 01:08:32,082 Or he may stand in the middle of the room, 1394 01:08:32,082 --> 01:08:34,166 and he may just be looking down at the floor. 1395 01:08:34,166 --> 01:08:35,875 And he would freeze in that position, 1396 01:08:35,875 --> 01:08:37,792 sometimes up to an hour. 1397 01:08:37,792 --> 01:08:40,332 And I believe that was his way of receiving revelation, 1398 01:08:40,332 --> 01:08:44,041 or whatever may be going on in his head at the time. 1399 01:08:45,250 --> 01:08:49,207 He watched the news religiously every day-- CNN, Fox. 1400 01:08:49,207 --> 01:08:52,291 Anytime there was any kind of a natural disaster, 1401 01:08:52,291 --> 01:08:55,417 we noticed he started putting that out in letter form 1402 01:08:55,417 --> 01:08:58,375 to the people that he mailed letters to. 1403 01:08:58,375 --> 01:09:01,417 Like the incident, the tidal wave that hit Japan. 1404 01:09:01,417 --> 01:09:05,041 He talked about that and how he brought that on. 1405 01:09:05,041 --> 01:09:07,375 [Warren] Our prophet has told us 1406 01:09:07,375 --> 01:09:10,291 there would be a great destruction. 1407 01:09:10,291 --> 01:09:13,917 The wicked were swept off by earthquake, 1408 01:09:13,917 --> 01:09:16,082 storms, 1409 01:09:16,082 --> 01:09:17,457 tidal waves. 1410 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,667 Within three hours, 1411 01:09:20,667 --> 01:09:24,166 millions of people were killed 1412 01:09:24,166 --> 01:09:26,332 and the Lord kept his word. 1413 01:09:27,792 --> 01:09:29,207 And every time there was a disaster 1414 01:09:29,207 --> 01:09:30,542 or a natural disaster, 1415 01:09:30,542 --> 01:09:32,667 he had some kind of revelation about it 1416 01:09:32,667 --> 01:09:36,457 that he would put forth to people in his letters. 1417 01:09:36,457 --> 01:09:38,291 [Thomas] There was many more, you know, tsunamis 1418 01:09:38,291 --> 01:09:40,125 that were supposed to happen. 1419 01:09:40,125 --> 01:09:41,875 There was hurricanes. There was... 1420 01:09:42,582 --> 01:09:44,332 many more destructions. 1421 01:09:44,332 --> 01:09:47,082 Um, there was supposed to be 1422 01:09:47,082 --> 01:09:49,750 a massive windstorm to come through Texas, 1423 01:09:49,750 --> 01:09:51,332 and we were supposed to prepare for it. 1424 01:09:51,332 --> 01:09:54,000 So, you know, of course, we tied down everything 1425 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,500 to get ready for this big windstorm, 1426 01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:58,125 and he said it would happen the next week. 1427 01:09:58,125 --> 01:10:01,250 The next week went by, and there was no windstorm. 1428 01:10:01,250 --> 01:10:02,875 [Sighs] You know. 1429 01:10:02,875 --> 01:10:05,291 ♪ How many roads ♪ 1430 01:10:05,291 --> 01:10:09,457 ♪ Must a man walk down ♪ 1431 01:10:09,457 --> 01:10:15,708 ♪ Before you call him a man? ♪ 1432 01:10:16,958 --> 01:10:20,500 ♪ The answer, my friend ♪ 1433 01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:24,332 ♪ Is blowin' in the wind ♪ 1434 01:10:24,332 --> 01:10:30,582 ♪ The answer is blowin' in the wind ♪ 1435 01:10:30,582 --> 01:10:36,332 [children's choir] ♪ Each bright new day ♪ 1436 01:10:36,332 --> 01:10:40,833 ♪ Another gift ♪ 1437 01:10:41,833 --> 01:10:46,082 ♪ A chance to serve... ♪ 1438 01:10:46,082 --> 01:10:50,332 [Sam] This is the UEP community farm, 1439 01:10:50,332 --> 01:10:53,166 and we also call it the launchpad. 1440 01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:55,291 It's one of the places that Warren-- 1441 01:10:55,291 --> 01:10:57,750 When the end of the world was coming, 1442 01:10:57,750 --> 01:11:01,000 Warren had everybody gather out in this field 1443 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,291 and wait for the end to come. 1444 01:11:04,291 --> 01:11:08,041 And they came out here at like 6:00 in the morning, 1445 01:11:08,041 --> 01:11:11,291 anticipating being lifted up 1446 01:11:11,291 --> 01:11:15,207 and ushering in the millennium. 1447 01:11:15,207 --> 01:11:18,291 And when it never happened, about 6:00 at night, 1448 01:11:18,291 --> 01:11:20,207 Warren came out and told them 1449 01:11:20,207 --> 01:11:24,708 that God had forsaken them 1450 01:11:24,708 --> 01:11:27,750 because they were not righteous enough 1451 01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:29,917 and that they needed to try harder. 1452 01:11:29,917 --> 01:11:35,375 [Warren] Were it not for the transgressions of my people, 1453 01:11:35,375 --> 01:11:39,082 they might have been redeemed, even now. 1454 01:11:40,542 --> 01:11:43,041 But behold, they, 1455 01:11:43,041 --> 01:11:45,500 the priesthood people, 1456 01:11:45,500 --> 01:11:49,417 have not learned to be obedient 1457 01:11:49,417 --> 01:11:54,250 to the things which I required at their hands. 1458 01:11:54,250 --> 01:11:58,917 And my people must need be chastened 1459 01:11:58,917 --> 01:12:03,000 until they learn obedience. 1460 01:12:04,207 --> 01:12:06,375 In fact, that's the reason Warren's in prison, 1461 01:12:06,375 --> 01:12:10,625 is because he's... atoning for their unrighteousness. 1462 01:12:11,708 --> 01:12:14,625 And that accomplishes a couple things. 1463 01:12:14,625 --> 01:12:17,625 It keeps the people really loyal and obedient, 1464 01:12:17,625 --> 01:12:22,291 but it also puts him on the level of deity, 1465 01:12:22,291 --> 01:12:23,708 of a god. 1466 01:12:23,708 --> 01:12:26,332 [children's choir] ♪ And blessed I am... ♪ 1467 01:12:26,332 --> 01:12:28,625 [Randy] He tried to fire his lawyer 1468 01:12:28,625 --> 01:12:30,291 right at the last moment. 1469 01:12:30,291 --> 01:12:33,125 Judge Walther made them stay in the courtroom 1470 01:12:33,125 --> 01:12:35,500 to be available to him. 1471 01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:37,166 He offered no defense 1472 01:12:37,166 --> 01:12:41,625 except for the long, rambling religious dissertations 1473 01:12:41,625 --> 01:12:45,125 very similar to some of his revelations 1474 01:12:45,125 --> 01:12:47,958 and proclamations that he releases now. 1475 01:12:47,958 --> 01:12:51,332 Uh, but when he would be doing those, 1476 01:12:51,332 --> 01:12:53,708 [deep voice] he would invoke his God voice. 1477 01:12:55,291 --> 01:12:58,250 He kept saying the same things over about, 1478 01:12:58,250 --> 01:13:01,833 um, "You're trampling on sacred documents" 1479 01:13:01,833 --> 01:13:03,667 when they would present something, 1480 01:13:03,667 --> 01:13:08,500 and that we were defiling that by viewing it. 1481 01:13:08,500 --> 01:13:10,667 [attorney] Mr. Jeffs, isn't it true 1482 01:13:10,667 --> 01:13:14,166 that this has nothing to do with religious persecution? 1483 01:13:14,166 --> 01:13:16,082 Doesn't all this boil down 1484 01:13:16,082 --> 01:13:18,500 to your desire to have sex with little girls? 1485 01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:21,582 [attorney #2] I instruct my client not to answer that, 1486 01:13:21,582 --> 01:13:24,000 invoke his Fifth Amendment privileges. 1487 01:13:25,375 --> 01:13:26,582 [attorney] Are you gonna follow that counsel? 1488 01:13:28,375 --> 01:13:31,082 We all certainly believe in freedom of religion. 1489 01:13:31,082 --> 01:13:32,582 That's what our country-- 1490 01:13:32,582 --> 01:13:35,166 the principles of our country's based on, 1491 01:13:35,166 --> 01:13:37,625 and you always want to respect that. 1492 01:13:37,625 --> 01:13:40,291 But, at the same time, 1493 01:13:40,291 --> 01:13:43,708 anybody could use that as a defense for any crime. 1494 01:13:43,708 --> 01:13:45,667 I mean, a murderer could say, "That's my religion. 1495 01:13:45,667 --> 01:13:48,000 I believe in killing people." 1496 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,917 It just doesn't-- It doesn't fly. 1497 01:13:51,207 --> 01:13:54,207 [Warren] The world so far outnumbers this people. 1498 01:13:55,291 --> 01:13:58,582 But by logic and reason, 1499 01:13:58,582 --> 01:14:02,708 the world justifies themselves as being right 1500 01:14:02,708 --> 01:14:04,457 and we are wrong. 1501 01:14:06,291 --> 01:14:10,500 But we have a personal witness 1502 01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:13,750 that all the world does not have, 1503 01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:16,207 that God lives, 1504 01:14:16,207 --> 01:14:19,500 the Prophet of God on the Earth, 1505 01:14:19,500 --> 01:14:23,417 and this Prophet tells only the truth. 1506 01:14:26,625 --> 01:14:29,750 [Mary] The hardest part was listening to the victims. 1507 01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:32,667 You could tell they were trying to hold back their emotions. 1508 01:14:32,667 --> 01:14:35,417 And then, as they were telling their stories, 1509 01:14:35,417 --> 01:14:38,166 all of a sudden the emotions would just explode, 1510 01:14:38,166 --> 01:14:42,041 and, um, it made you wonder, you know, 1511 01:14:42,041 --> 01:14:44,207 "Is this just the tip of the iceberg? 1512 01:14:44,207 --> 01:14:46,417 Is there-- Is there more?" 1513 01:14:51,041 --> 01:14:54,417 There was never any doubt in anyone's mind. 1514 01:14:54,417 --> 01:14:57,250 After all of the mountains of evidence that were presented, 1515 01:14:57,250 --> 01:14:59,500 there was no doubt in anyone's mind 1516 01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:01,457 that he was guilty. 1517 01:15:03,082 --> 01:15:05,667 The tape sealed it. 1518 01:15:05,667 --> 01:15:08,667 I mean, that was just-- You couldn't deny it. 1519 01:15:34,417 --> 01:15:36,041 [heavy breathing] 1520 01:15:45,958 --> 01:15:47,667 [heavy breathing] 1521 01:15:52,833 --> 01:15:54,417 [sighs] 1522 01:16:06,708 --> 01:16:09,500 [Randy] From that moment forward, that trial, 1523 01:16:09,500 --> 01:16:12,000 for all intents and purposes, was over. 1524 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,750 And in the closing arguments, 1525 01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:19,250 Warren Jeffs stands up, and for 45-- 1526 01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:21,000 Do you remember how long it was, Kathy? 1527 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,833 Forty-five minutes, something like that, 1528 01:16:22,833 --> 01:16:26,457 without saying a single word, just standing stark still. 1529 01:16:26,457 --> 01:16:29,750 [Mary] He went down the row of all the jurors. 1530 01:16:29,750 --> 01:16:33,750 He went from one person to the next one, to the next one, 1531 01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:37,582 and paused for just a moment or two at each one, 1532 01:16:37,582 --> 01:16:41,792 and kind of tried to stare us down, I guess. 1533 01:16:41,792 --> 01:16:44,207 And then at the end, he turns to the jury and says, 1534 01:16:44,207 --> 01:16:45,917 "I'm at peace." 1535 01:16:45,917 --> 01:16:47,750 And he sits down. 1536 01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:51,417 And the jury returned a very quick verdict of guilty 1537 01:16:51,417 --> 01:16:55,375 and a very quick sentence 1538 01:16:55,375 --> 01:16:58,000 of life plus 20 years. 1539 01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,582 He was too big of a coward 1540 01:16:59,582 --> 01:17:00,833 to even be in the same room as me, 1541 01:17:00,833 --> 01:17:03,542 and asked to be taken out of the courtroom 1542 01:17:03,542 --> 01:17:06,000 and placed into a room outside, 1543 01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,542 in another room in the hallway. 1544 01:17:08,542 --> 01:17:10,750 But to be able to stand up in front of everybody 1545 01:17:10,750 --> 01:17:13,457 and tell them my story, 1546 01:17:13,457 --> 01:17:16,542 and... testify against him, 1547 01:17:16,542 --> 01:17:19,667 and have everything that I say 1548 01:17:19,667 --> 01:17:21,958 and everybody else that testified, 1549 01:17:21,958 --> 01:17:25,667 you know, shape this whole entire thing against Warren 1550 01:17:25,667 --> 01:17:28,207 and have justice to be served 1551 01:17:28,207 --> 01:17:29,750 was the most liberating 1552 01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:31,833 and amazing experience I've ever had. 1553 01:17:33,500 --> 01:17:37,125 [Elaine] I wanted to see him, in person, get it. 1554 01:17:37,125 --> 01:17:38,875 [chuckles] 1555 01:17:38,875 --> 01:17:40,417 Yes. 1556 01:17:40,417 --> 01:17:42,291 I'd been angry with him for years 1557 01:17:42,291 --> 01:17:46,582 for keeping my son and daughter and my grandchildren from me, 1558 01:17:46,582 --> 01:17:50,207 and dictating that they could not communicate with me 1559 01:17:50,207 --> 01:17:52,833 or even let me in their home anymore. 1560 01:17:52,833 --> 01:17:54,917 I'd have been-- 1561 01:17:54,917 --> 01:17:58,291 I'd have been really upset if they hadn't convicted him. 1562 01:17:59,917 --> 01:18:02,875 [Brent] These awesome, awesome Texas marshals 1563 01:18:02,875 --> 01:18:05,125 that were my buddies down there at the time, 1564 01:18:05,125 --> 01:18:08,625 they had Warren in shackles and everything. 1565 01:18:08,625 --> 01:18:10,417 And when we had left the courtroom, 1566 01:18:10,417 --> 01:18:12,375 I was out in the hallway by the elevator. 1567 01:18:12,375 --> 01:18:14,375 And, wouldn't ya know it, 1568 01:18:14,375 --> 01:18:16,625 they had brought Warren up that elevator, 1569 01:18:16,625 --> 01:18:20,750 and out came Warren in shackles and an orange jumpsuit. 1570 01:18:20,750 --> 01:18:23,833 And I got to walk straight up to him and stare him in the eyes 1571 01:18:23,833 --> 01:18:25,792 and say, "You got what you deserved. 1572 01:18:25,792 --> 01:18:28,082 Justice has been served." 1573 01:18:28,082 --> 01:18:32,375 And I just felt ten feet tall to be able to say that to him 1574 01:18:32,375 --> 01:18:35,166 and put this monster away where he belongs. 1575 01:18:38,207 --> 01:18:40,332 [female attorney] Mr. Jeffs, we've heard a lot of evidence 1576 01:18:40,332 --> 01:18:43,041 that is, frankly, shameful, 1577 01:18:43,041 --> 01:18:46,833 and it's odious to every decent human being. 1578 01:18:46,833 --> 01:18:49,625 And, for that reason, a jury convicted you 1579 01:18:49,625 --> 01:18:52,708 of heinous crimes against children, 1580 01:18:52,708 --> 01:18:56,708 and you've been sentenced to life in prison plus 20 years. 1581 01:18:56,708 --> 01:18:59,708 Do you feel any remorse for what you've done? 1582 01:19:04,792 --> 01:19:07,291 Actually, Warren has everything he wants. 1583 01:19:07,291 --> 01:19:09,041 You know, he's been martyred. 1584 01:19:09,041 --> 01:19:11,792 He's more popular than ever among the faithful because-- 1585 01:19:11,792 --> 01:19:13,833 He's just proven all his points. 1586 01:19:13,833 --> 01:19:16,375 "The evil state, you know, is afraid of me, 1587 01:19:16,375 --> 01:19:18,332 and they're trying to bring me down." 1588 01:19:18,332 --> 01:19:21,750 In some ways, he has more control than he's ever had. 1589 01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:24,417 But we've all been wounded by this 1590 01:19:24,417 --> 01:19:26,708 because it was just this-- 1591 01:19:26,708 --> 01:19:30,917 this overarching sense of dread 1592 01:19:30,917 --> 01:19:35,166 that just hung over this county for ten years, 1593 01:19:35,166 --> 01:19:38,207 and it's not just been suddenly lifted. 1594 01:19:38,207 --> 01:19:41,041 It's just kind of easing up, 1595 01:19:41,041 --> 01:19:44,125 and then we're left with these lingering questions 1596 01:19:44,125 --> 01:19:45,917 of what do we do, and how do we handle it, 1597 01:19:45,917 --> 01:19:47,708 and where do we go from here. 1598 01:19:47,708 --> 01:19:49,500 I'm left with the question of: 1599 01:19:49,500 --> 01:19:51,667 What's going to happen to those children? 1600 01:19:51,667 --> 01:19:53,708 'Cause even though that group of children-- 1601 01:19:53,708 --> 01:19:57,207 a lot of those are now grown up and adults-- 1602 01:19:57,207 --> 01:19:59,417 they're being followed by others. 1603 01:19:59,417 --> 01:20:03,417 And what's happening in Mancos, Colorado? 1604 01:20:03,417 --> 01:20:05,207 What's happening in South Dakota? 1605 01:20:05,207 --> 01:20:08,625 What's happening in Short Creek? Is anybody paying attention? 1606 01:20:09,958 --> 01:20:12,000 [Ben] I don't know what was bugging me that day. 1607 01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:13,917 The voicemail came over the phone, telling me 1608 01:20:13,917 --> 01:20:17,250 to cancel off school for a week and send my kids down here. 1609 01:20:17,250 --> 01:20:19,207 I think it was cold. 1610 01:20:19,207 --> 01:20:20,542 [phone ringing] 1611 01:20:20,542 --> 01:20:22,125 [man] Good afternoon. 1612 01:20:22,125 --> 01:20:25,207 This is a message from the bishop's office. 1613 01:20:25,207 --> 01:20:27,291 This is a call for all schools 1614 01:20:27,291 --> 01:20:29,750 to take the rest of the week off of school 1615 01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:31,457 to help with the nut harvest, 1616 01:20:31,457 --> 01:20:34,166 and families and school groups, while supervised, 1617 01:20:34,166 --> 01:20:38,207 to meet at the Foothill School at eight o'clock in the morning. 1618 01:20:38,207 --> 01:20:42,207 We need all the available 15-passenger vans 1619 01:20:42,207 --> 01:20:45,291 to also be brought to the Foothill School. 1620 01:20:46,582 --> 01:20:48,958 [reporter] We received a tip that Warren Jeffs, 1621 01:20:48,958 --> 01:20:51,958 the imprisoned leader of the polygamist FLDS sect, 1622 01:20:51,958 --> 01:20:54,708 had ordered all schools closed for a week 1623 01:20:54,708 --> 01:20:56,582 so children could go to work 1624 01:20:56,582 --> 01:20:59,792 picking pecans off trees at a private ranch. 1625 01:20:59,792 --> 01:21:01,750 Obviously, they didn't have the employees 1626 01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:05,708 to cover this size of field in a week, 1627 01:21:05,708 --> 01:21:07,792 and they would just get the free labor 1628 01:21:07,792 --> 01:21:10,125 from the mothers and the kids. 1629 01:21:10,125 --> 01:21:11,625 It was my oldest daughter. 1630 01:21:11,625 --> 01:21:14,207 She would be in charge of our kids while they came down here, 1631 01:21:14,207 --> 01:21:17,708 kind of keep track of where they were. 1632 01:21:17,708 --> 01:21:19,625 [Sam] When we pulled up out here 1633 01:21:19,625 --> 01:21:21,875 and we saw all these children, 1634 01:21:21,875 --> 01:21:25,332 I mean, obviously, they didn't want to be seen. 1635 01:21:25,332 --> 01:21:28,667 And we heard somebody yelling, "Run! Run!" 1636 01:21:28,667 --> 01:21:30,833 And they took off 1637 01:21:30,833 --> 01:21:32,958 way down to the end over there. 1638 01:21:32,958 --> 01:21:34,417 And it was chaos. 1639 01:21:34,417 --> 01:21:36,332 Kids were running back and forth, 1640 01:21:36,332 --> 01:21:40,417 and there were just children as far as the eye could see. 1641 01:21:56,166 --> 01:21:58,708 [Warren] The Lord is with our prophet, 1642 01:21:58,708 --> 01:22:02,041 and he still leads us right. 1643 01:22:02,041 --> 01:22:05,708 He is being renewed and strengthened, 1644 01:22:05,708 --> 01:22:07,917 and his renewal 1645 01:22:07,917 --> 01:22:10,417 will bring fear upon the enemy... 1646 01:22:12,417 --> 01:22:14,542 and also fear 1647 01:22:14,542 --> 01:22:16,958 in the hearts of any of us... 1648 01:22:19,207 --> 01:22:21,125 who have not prepared. 1649 01:22:23,207 --> 01:22:25,375 [attorney] You're still operating the church, correct? 1650 01:22:27,375 --> 01:22:32,166 Isn't it true that you meet with lawyers on a periodic basis 1651 01:22:32,166 --> 01:22:36,041 and give them instructions which they write down and record? 1652 01:22:36,041 --> 01:22:40,041 And those instructions go to your brother Lyle, right? 1653 01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:47,166 I know he knows the truth 1654 01:22:47,166 --> 01:22:49,417 about most of the stuff about Warren. 1655 01:22:49,417 --> 01:22:51,792 And... 1656 01:22:51,792 --> 01:22:54,708 I don't appreciate how he's-- 1657 01:22:54,708 --> 01:22:58,291 he's really just continued to lie to the people. 1658 01:22:58,291 --> 01:23:00,667 And I'm really ready to see 1659 01:23:00,667 --> 01:23:03,958 that even Father be brought to justice 1660 01:23:03,958 --> 01:23:05,917 for continuing to lie to the people 1661 01:23:05,917 --> 01:23:08,667 and keeping them under Warren's... 1662 01:23:10,582 --> 01:23:12,750 rule, really. 1663 01:23:12,750 --> 01:23:16,207 My mom is my dad's first and legal wife. 1664 01:23:16,207 --> 01:23:18,625 He's got nine wives in all, 1665 01:23:18,625 --> 01:23:20,582 I guess excluding Mom now 1666 01:23:20,582 --> 01:23:22,500 because she's turned 1667 01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:25,792 and considered fighting the priesthood. 1668 01:23:25,792 --> 01:23:27,833 So, it's really been hard on her. 1669 01:23:30,708 --> 01:23:33,457 March is when my mom left, 1670 01:23:33,457 --> 01:23:36,250 and she went after the kids 1671 01:23:36,250 --> 01:23:38,667 and has gotten full custody of two of 'em. 1672 01:23:38,667 --> 01:23:40,958 Two out of the ten were underage. 1673 01:23:40,958 --> 01:23:43,792 All the others are 18 or older. 1674 01:23:44,875 --> 01:23:47,457 The two youngest, they treat her like dirt. 1675 01:23:47,457 --> 01:23:51,041 They won't talk to her. They say, "If we talk to you, 1676 01:23:51,041 --> 01:23:54,000 then we're breaking our covenants." 1677 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,542 My dad, he's in a lot of trouble. I know that. 1678 01:23:57,542 --> 01:24:00,625 That's what the Department of Labor is coming after him for, 1679 01:24:00,625 --> 01:24:03,082 which he did show up to a couple court cases, 1680 01:24:03,082 --> 01:24:06,041 and now he's held in contempt for not showing up 1681 01:24:06,041 --> 01:24:08,917 because he couldn't provide them 1682 01:24:08,917 --> 01:24:12,917 with the answers that they needed. 1683 01:24:12,917 --> 01:24:15,166 My current status with the church is, 1684 01:24:15,166 --> 01:24:18,917 I was cast out in January of 2010. 1685 01:24:20,082 --> 01:24:22,457 I was told I could not return, 1686 01:24:22,457 --> 01:24:24,250 that I had sinned a great sin-- 1687 01:24:24,250 --> 01:24:27,000 which they never told me what it was-- 1688 01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,667 but that I could not return, 1689 01:24:28,667 --> 01:24:31,417 that I was not worthy of my family, 1690 01:24:31,417 --> 01:24:35,875 that I was to leave my family in Lyle and Warren's care. 1691 01:24:35,875 --> 01:24:38,750 I had to file a lawsuit to find out where my family was. 1692 01:24:38,750 --> 01:24:40,332 They were all in hiding. 1693 01:24:42,041 --> 01:24:45,667 We received a phone call from the FBI 1694 01:24:45,667 --> 01:24:49,708 saying that they had located 1695 01:24:49,708 --> 01:24:51,582 my daughter Sherilyn 1696 01:24:51,582 --> 01:24:54,041 and that she was in a trailer house 1697 01:24:54,041 --> 01:24:57,291 and had been so for as much as two years. 1698 01:24:57,291 --> 01:24:59,625 The reason they put 'em in trailers like that 1699 01:24:59,625 --> 01:25:02,250 is because they are too mouthy, 1700 01:25:02,250 --> 01:25:04,917 they have their own opinions or something of the kind. 1701 01:25:04,917 --> 01:25:07,000 And so she was being corrected. 1702 01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,917 They called and asked us 1703 01:25:08,917 --> 01:25:13,291 if we were interested in taking her into our home 1704 01:25:13,291 --> 01:25:16,207 and basically receiving her as my child, 1705 01:25:16,207 --> 01:25:17,875 and I said, "Of course." 1706 01:25:18,875 --> 01:25:21,207 I had to contact the FBI, 1707 01:25:21,207 --> 01:25:24,375 the Washington County sheriff's office, 1708 01:25:24,375 --> 01:25:27,082 and we had to physically go to Short Creek, 1709 01:25:27,082 --> 01:25:29,207 to Lyle's home. 1710 01:25:29,207 --> 01:25:32,041 They were able to gather the children out of the home. 1711 01:25:32,041 --> 01:25:33,833 We met at a park. 1712 01:25:33,833 --> 01:25:35,457 [Ron] They basically told us 1713 01:25:35,457 --> 01:25:38,250 that we needed to disappear for a little bit 1714 01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:40,207 until they got some things put together. 1715 01:25:40,207 --> 01:25:41,833 [Ron's wife] She didn't have anything 1716 01:25:41,833 --> 01:25:44,750 except for the prairie dress she was in, 1717 01:25:44,750 --> 01:25:49,000 and the undergarments, and a pair of shoes. 1718 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:50,875 And we were in jeans, 1719 01:25:50,875 --> 01:25:54,082 and that's what we wore for four or five days. 1720 01:25:55,542 --> 01:25:57,917 When I met the four girls at the park... 1721 01:26:03,417 --> 01:26:06,250 they all told me that I was not their father... 1722 01:26:10,667 --> 01:26:12,417 that they did not want to go with me. 1723 01:26:12,417 --> 01:26:15,207 They wanted to stay with Lyle in the church. 1724 01:26:17,625 --> 01:26:19,332 They said they hated me. 1725 01:26:21,291 --> 01:26:23,542 [Ron's wife] I had taken her into T.J. Maxx 1726 01:26:23,542 --> 01:26:25,833 and got her a skirt 1727 01:26:25,833 --> 01:26:29,041 and a black top and a long jacket... 1728 01:26:29,041 --> 01:26:30,875 -And she loved it. -so she would be comfortable. 1729 01:26:30,875 --> 01:26:32,667 She actually loved it, and she looked so cute in 'em, too. 1730 01:26:32,667 --> 01:26:35,291 And she did. 1731 01:26:35,291 --> 01:26:38,417 You could see that she really enjoyed 1732 01:26:38,417 --> 01:26:40,582 the time that we spent together. 1733 01:26:40,582 --> 01:26:42,750 [Ron] And she put her arm in my arm, 1734 01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:45,166 walking on the beach several times, 1735 01:26:45,166 --> 01:26:47,332 and kind of snuggled up to me, 1736 01:26:47,332 --> 01:26:50,417 and calling me Dad and things of that kind, 1737 01:26:50,417 --> 01:26:53,667 which is very unusual because she was very... 1738 01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,375 -Programmed. -programmed, 1739 01:26:55,375 --> 01:26:57,667 brainwashed, whatever you want to call it. 1740 01:26:59,625 --> 01:27:02,082 [Wallace] I told them, I said, "I've got to do this. 1741 01:27:02,082 --> 01:27:05,166 You don't realize it, but you're truly in danger, 1742 01:27:05,166 --> 01:27:07,542 and I'm doing this to protect you." 1743 01:27:09,500 --> 01:27:11,750 They would plug their ears if I tried to tell them 1744 01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:13,500 anything about Warren, 1745 01:27:13,500 --> 01:27:15,708 or the truth about Warren, 1746 01:27:15,708 --> 01:27:17,375 or the truth about the church. 1747 01:27:18,792 --> 01:27:20,542 [Ron] Her phone basically was locked, 1748 01:27:20,542 --> 01:27:23,625 and she only had four people that she could call. 1749 01:27:23,625 --> 01:27:25,166 That was it. 1750 01:27:25,166 --> 01:27:26,875 When I looked in the phone, 1751 01:27:26,875 --> 01:27:29,708 I could see it was like every 15, 20 minutes 1752 01:27:29,708 --> 01:27:31,332 she had to report in. 1753 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,000 [Ron] We were called by the FBI 1754 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,500 and told that they needed us to come back, 1755 01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:40,125 and they had a warrant to go through the phone 1756 01:27:40,125 --> 01:27:43,125 and get all the information out of it and so forth. 1757 01:27:43,125 --> 01:27:44,750 She was in the car. 1758 01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:47,958 She had slid over to the other side of the car and gotten out, 1759 01:27:47,958 --> 01:27:49,207 and I walked over. 1760 01:27:49,207 --> 01:27:52,041 I wasn't more than 15 feet away from her 1761 01:27:52,041 --> 01:27:54,417 when a white pickup pulled up. 1762 01:27:54,417 --> 01:27:57,332 They just basically grabbed her, pulled her in... 1763 01:27:57,332 --> 01:27:59,207 -and took off. -She was gone. 1764 01:27:59,207 --> 01:28:00,417 They were gone. 1765 01:28:00,417 --> 01:28:02,417 They were burning rubber all the way down the driveway 1766 01:28:02,417 --> 01:28:06,000 as I was running behind them, talking to the FBI agent, 1767 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,291 giving them the license plate number. 1768 01:28:11,708 --> 01:28:14,875 [Wallace] My daughters just sit in their room and paint, 1769 01:28:14,875 --> 01:28:17,082 comb their hair, read. 1770 01:28:17,082 --> 01:28:19,207 They do a lot of reading. 1771 01:28:19,207 --> 01:28:21,708 Life with them is very strained. 1772 01:28:21,708 --> 01:28:23,917 There is little or no communication. 1773 01:28:23,917 --> 01:28:26,082 Whenever they want something, they give me a note 1774 01:28:26,082 --> 01:28:28,291 of what they need-- food or clothing. 1775 01:28:28,291 --> 01:28:31,166 I say, "Let's go to the store and do it together," 1776 01:28:31,166 --> 01:28:34,291 but they refuse every time. 1777 01:28:37,082 --> 01:28:39,582 We have been told by the FBI 1778 01:28:39,582 --> 01:28:43,500 that her, her mother, her brother and her sisters 1779 01:28:43,500 --> 01:28:46,625 have been all gathered up and taken to Mexico. 1780 01:28:49,207 --> 01:28:50,958 In their estimation, they're buried, 1781 01:28:50,958 --> 01:28:52,750 they've gone underground. 1782 01:28:52,750 --> 01:28:54,708 I probably will not have the opportunity 1783 01:28:54,708 --> 01:28:56,792 to see them ever again. 1784 01:29:07,417 --> 01:29:10,250 Warren always has to take it to the next level. 1785 01:29:10,250 --> 01:29:14,332 He's never gonna be satisfied with his latest edict. 1786 01:29:14,332 --> 01:29:16,542 The people, the most zealous people, 1787 01:29:16,542 --> 01:29:18,457 they feel like they're-- 1788 01:29:18,457 --> 01:29:21,166 one step at a time, one little baby step at a time-- 1789 01:29:21,166 --> 01:29:22,917 passing the test. 1790 01:29:22,917 --> 01:29:25,250 So, when Warren requires that a mother 1791 01:29:25,250 --> 01:29:29,375 take her 11-, 12-year-old daughter by the hand 1792 01:29:29,375 --> 01:29:32,958 and give her to some lecher, 1793 01:29:32,958 --> 01:29:35,041 that's her test. 1794 01:29:35,041 --> 01:29:37,542 That's what's being required of her. 1795 01:29:39,582 --> 01:29:43,291 Throughout the week, people will stop by and donate food. 1796 01:29:43,291 --> 01:29:45,582 And so we collect it, 1797 01:29:45,582 --> 01:29:49,250 and then we go make sure that it's given to somebody 1798 01:29:49,250 --> 01:29:51,582 that's going hungry in the church. 1799 01:29:51,582 --> 01:29:53,750 So, everybody's doing what they can 1800 01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:57,166 to help counteract the hunger that is going on. 1801 01:29:57,166 --> 01:30:00,332 And the clothing, you know, coats-- 1802 01:30:00,332 --> 01:30:02,000 We're starting to collect coats now 1803 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,457 because we know winter's gonna be coming. 1804 01:30:04,457 --> 01:30:07,667 So, I've got a lot of donations that I'm starting to collect, 1805 01:30:07,667 --> 01:30:09,708 so we can forward it to the people 1806 01:30:09,708 --> 01:30:11,667 that are needing them. 1807 01:30:12,625 --> 01:30:14,750 Sometimes we'll get a call saying, 1808 01:30:14,750 --> 01:30:17,166 "Hey, a grandmother just got kicked out. 1809 01:30:17,166 --> 01:30:18,667 It's winter time. 1810 01:30:18,667 --> 01:30:21,166 It's almost five degrees outside. 1811 01:30:21,166 --> 01:30:23,750 And she's sleeping in her car." 1812 01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:25,708 So, we'll get up in the middle of the night, 1813 01:30:25,708 --> 01:30:28,207 and we'll drive around, trying to find a person 1814 01:30:28,207 --> 01:30:31,000 that has been-- that doesn't know where to go. 1815 01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,582 And as soon as we find 'em, 1816 01:30:33,582 --> 01:30:35,542 or however we can locate 'em, 1817 01:30:35,542 --> 01:30:39,625 we'll get 'em appropriate help as quickly as possible. 1818 01:30:43,625 --> 01:30:45,875 You have to appreciate how isolated 1819 01:30:45,875 --> 01:30:48,582 and how much they've been taught 1820 01:30:48,582 --> 01:30:52,000 for how many generations that this is your life, you know. 1821 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,667 This is all they know. 1822 01:30:53,667 --> 01:30:55,875 [Sam] You know, we talk about brainwashing, 1823 01:30:55,875 --> 01:30:57,875 but it's not brainwashing. 1824 01:30:57,875 --> 01:31:01,792 The level of devotion comes from an ingrained cultural thing. 1825 01:31:01,792 --> 01:31:05,250 It's indoctrinated with them from birth. 1826 01:31:05,250 --> 01:31:08,041 All they have is what they grew up with. 1827 01:31:08,041 --> 01:31:10,582 They don't know what the outside world is like. 1828 01:31:10,582 --> 01:31:13,332 All they know is what their grandparents have done 1829 01:31:13,332 --> 01:31:16,000 and their great grandparents and their parents 1830 01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,917 and what their mother has-- 1831 01:31:17,917 --> 01:31:21,708 who stays at home 24/7 indoctrinating them-- 1832 01:31:21,708 --> 01:31:23,082 tells them. 1833 01:31:23,082 --> 01:31:27,250 Well, my mom's known as the flower lady at home. 1834 01:31:27,250 --> 01:31:29,291 People would come to our home all the time 1835 01:31:29,291 --> 01:31:31,082 and get starts from flowers 1836 01:31:31,082 --> 01:31:33,250 'cause her entire yard was covered. 1837 01:31:33,250 --> 01:31:38,125 So I thought, well, if I get a job at Star Nursery, 1838 01:31:38,125 --> 01:31:40,250 I'll bump into her, you know. 1839 01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:43,457 So, when I got a job there, I did bump into her once. 1840 01:31:43,457 --> 01:31:45,917 I had my little boy with me and... 1841 01:31:47,500 --> 01:31:50,207 It's weird, because he had never even met her, 1842 01:31:50,207 --> 01:31:53,041 and he gave her a big old hug. 1843 01:31:53,041 --> 01:31:56,125 And she-- she hugged me. 1844 01:32:00,291 --> 01:32:02,291 She told me she loved me. 1845 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,958 And I said, "Mom, can I have your number?" 1846 01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:12,625 She told me no. 1847 01:32:17,708 --> 01:32:21,958 To me, she chose religion over her children. 1848 01:32:27,375 --> 01:32:31,166 And so, you have a guy who's, by any measure, is crazy. 1849 01:32:31,166 --> 01:32:35,332 He's, you know, he's not-- he's not a rational person, 1850 01:32:35,332 --> 01:32:39,332 and he has this megalomania, 1851 01:32:39,332 --> 01:32:41,667 and that, you know, is disturbing. 1852 01:32:41,667 --> 01:32:43,500 But what was really disturbing is 1853 01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:46,332 how all these other thousands of people 1854 01:32:46,332 --> 01:32:48,207 buy into it and don't question it. 1855 01:32:48,207 --> 01:32:51,332 He's able to persuade them that "No, this is the truth, 1856 01:32:51,332 --> 01:32:53,250 I really do speak to God, 1857 01:32:53,250 --> 01:32:56,000 and your salvation depends on me." 1858 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,125 And he does terrible things to them. 1859 01:32:58,125 --> 01:33:00,833 He takes away their families. He takes away their fortune. 1860 01:33:00,833 --> 01:33:03,166 He sends them out to repent. 1861 01:33:03,166 --> 01:33:05,000 And they still must turn over their income. 1862 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,625 And they still believe him and continue to believe him. 1863 01:33:07,625 --> 01:33:09,875 And that's what-- that's mind-boggling. 1864 01:33:09,875 --> 01:33:12,625 And it speaks to something disturbing 1865 01:33:12,625 --> 01:33:14,792 about, you know, human nature, 1866 01:33:14,792 --> 01:33:18,708 or how once you believe something, 1867 01:33:18,708 --> 01:33:20,917 you know, once you've been brought up to believe something, 1868 01:33:20,917 --> 01:33:23,875 it's very, very difficult to give that up completely. 1869 01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:33,667 I got your license plate number. 1870 01:33:33,667 --> 01:33:35,250 [Sam] That's great. 1871 01:33:35,250 --> 01:33:39,582 I'd like to know who you are and what I can do for you. 1872 01:33:39,582 --> 01:33:43,250 Well, my name's Sam Brower. You can't do anything for me. 1873 01:33:43,250 --> 01:33:44,708 Sam Brower? 1874 01:33:46,958 --> 01:33:49,708 [Jon] Like so many things in life, nothing is simple. 1875 01:33:49,708 --> 01:33:50,917 Nothing-- 1876 01:33:50,917 --> 01:33:53,667 You know, it's always four steps forward, three steps back. 1877 01:33:53,667 --> 01:33:55,000 And if you're lucky, 1878 01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,166 eventually you end up further ahead than behind, 1879 01:33:57,166 --> 01:33:58,792 but there's no guarantee that happens 1880 01:33:58,792 --> 01:34:00,792 in the short-term or even the long-term. 1881 01:34:01,708 --> 01:34:04,250 How're you doing today, Sam Brower? 1882 01:34:04,250 --> 01:34:05,917 [Sam] I'm doing great. How are you doing? 1883 01:34:05,917 --> 01:34:07,792 Good. 1884 01:34:07,792 --> 01:34:09,750 It's nice to... 1885 01:34:09,750 --> 01:34:11,792 see your vehicle. 1886 01:34:12,750 --> 01:34:14,875 [Jon] You know, it's just... 1887 01:34:14,875 --> 01:34:17,875 You just got to keep pushing the rock up the hill. 1888 01:34:17,875 --> 01:34:20,082 And it rolls back down, and you push it up again. 1889 01:34:20,082 --> 01:34:22,000 And that's kind of how I view this. 1890 01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,166 And I'd be happy if the rock stayed up there 1891 01:34:24,166 --> 01:34:26,708 and I could go do other things, but, you know-- 1892 01:34:26,708 --> 01:34:28,917 I think Sam feels the same way. 1893 01:34:28,917 --> 01:34:30,833 We're not going to quit now. 1894 01:34:30,833 --> 01:34:33,833 You know, we've had plenty of reasons to quit 1895 01:34:33,833 --> 01:34:36,875 when all seemed futile, and we've kept at it. 1896 01:34:36,875 --> 01:34:40,000 So, I'm sure we'll keep on the case. 1897 01:34:41,207 --> 01:34:43,542 [Warren] The Lord will tell me first 1898 01:34:43,542 --> 01:34:46,875 when the judgments are coming, 1899 01:34:46,875 --> 01:34:51,625 and those judgments are going to be furious. 1900 01:34:52,958 --> 01:34:56,958 All of you are not going to survive. 1901 01:34:59,542 --> 01:35:02,041 I worry most of all 1902 01:35:02,041 --> 01:35:06,082 that he is going to incite some sort of bloodshed, 1903 01:35:06,082 --> 01:35:08,375 either inadvertently or intentionally. 1904 01:35:08,375 --> 01:35:09,958 Intentionally probably. 1905 01:35:09,958 --> 01:35:12,542 He has no reason not to do that. 1906 01:35:12,542 --> 01:35:14,708 It would be a way to show his power. 1907 01:35:14,708 --> 01:35:16,625 He's certainly capable of it. 1908 01:35:16,625 --> 01:35:18,667 So, that's what I worry about. 1909 01:35:18,667 --> 01:35:20,542 He prays for my destruction. 1910 01:35:20,542 --> 01:35:23,166 Well, if I was religious, I would pray for his destruction 1911 01:35:23,166 --> 01:35:25,667 because, you know, I would have no qualms about-- 1912 01:35:25,667 --> 01:35:28,000 I hope that fucker dies right now. 1913 01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:32,708 The fear of people following Warren to the grave 1914 01:35:32,708 --> 01:35:36,875 has always been something that's been a worry. 1915 01:35:36,875 --> 01:35:41,750 I know for a fact that they are completely obedient. 1916 01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:45,375 The ones-- the FLDS, the United Order FLDS-- 1917 01:35:45,375 --> 01:35:46,875 are completely obedient. 1918 01:35:46,875 --> 01:35:49,375 And if Warren told them to, for instance, 1919 01:35:49,375 --> 01:35:52,542 die at their posts over some kind of standoff, 1920 01:35:52,542 --> 01:35:54,708 they would die at their posts. 1921 01:35:54,708 --> 01:35:58,082 And the worry is, you have this madman 1922 01:35:58,082 --> 01:36:02,833 running the church from his prison cell in Texas. 1923 01:36:02,833 --> 01:36:05,750 And if he decides he wants to go out with a bang, 1924 01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:07,875 or make some sort of statement, 1925 01:36:07,875 --> 01:36:11,375 or prove to the world how loyal his people are 1926 01:36:11,375 --> 01:36:16,375 and have them do some kind of crazy thing 1927 01:36:16,375 --> 01:36:19,792 like happened in Jonestown or Waco, 1928 01:36:19,792 --> 01:36:22,833 that's surely a possibility. 1929 01:36:22,833 --> 01:36:25,582 In fact, it's wise and prudent 1930 01:36:25,582 --> 01:36:28,708 not to discount that possibility. 1931 01:36:30,166 --> 01:36:32,708 [female attorney] You can't change the past. 1932 01:36:32,708 --> 01:36:35,542 You can't undo what you've done with these young girls. 1933 01:36:37,582 --> 01:36:39,582 But are you willing to do something 1934 01:36:39,582 --> 01:36:41,792 to help the people in the future? 1935 01:36:46,582 --> 01:36:48,250 [male attorney] I'm gonna object. 1936 01:36:48,250 --> 01:36:49,582 That question is confusing. 1937 01:36:49,582 --> 01:36:51,457 I'm not sure I get the connection 1938 01:36:51,457 --> 01:36:53,207 from the way it was phrased. 1939 01:36:53,207 --> 01:36:55,000 [female attorney] Mr. Jeffs, did you understand my question? 1940 01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,457 I suspect he did. Did you understand my question? 1941 01:37:00,375 --> 01:37:01,833 Do I need to restate it? 1942 01:37:08,125 --> 01:37:10,917 Do I need to restate my question, Mr. Jeffs? 1943 01:37:14,833 --> 01:37:16,000 I'm sorry. What? 1944 01:37:17,417 --> 01:37:19,207 Well-- [chuckles] 1945 01:37:19,207 --> 01:37:21,542 I need to restate it if you didn't understand it. 1946 01:37:21,542 --> 01:37:23,041 Did you understand it? 1947 01:37:33,125 --> 01:37:34,792 Well, all I can say, Mr. Jeffs, 1948 01:37:34,792 --> 01:37:36,625 is you still have the opportunity 1949 01:37:36,625 --> 01:37:38,125 to turn your life around 1950 01:37:38,125 --> 01:37:40,125 and have something worthwhile to present to the Lord 1951 01:37:40,125 --> 01:37:42,166 before you go to meet your maker. 1952 01:37:43,792 --> 01:37:45,207 I'm finished. 1953 01:37:48,792 --> 01:37:51,625 [Warren] Obey the Prophet when he speaks, 1954 01:37:51,625 --> 01:37:53,750 and you'll be blessed. 1955 01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:55,750 Disobey him, 1956 01:37:55,750 --> 01:37:58,041 it is death. 1957 01:39:29,166 --> 01:39:31,917 [Warren] This is another "keep sweet" lesson 1958 01:39:31,917 --> 01:39:34,625 with an eternal vision, 1959 01:39:34,625 --> 01:39:37,542 in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 1960 01:39:37,542 --> 01:39:39,000 [rock music playing] 1961 01:40:08,667 --> 01:40:12,125 [woman] ♪ Little girl won't play ♪ 1962 01:40:12,125 --> 01:40:14,958 ♪ Looks the other way ♪ 1963 01:40:14,958 --> 01:40:18,917 ♪ Staring at the past ♪ 1964 01:40:18,917 --> 01:40:22,375 ♪ Her eyes have turned to glass ♪ 1965 01:40:22,375 --> 01:40:24,500 ♪ Oh, glass eyes ♪ 1966 01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:25,750 ♪ She's lost ♪ 1967 01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:28,792 ♪ All her dreams to dust ♪ 1968 01:40:28,792 --> 01:40:32,667 ♪ On her wedding day ♪ 1969 01:40:32,667 --> 01:40:35,542 ♪ Don't know how to play ♪ 1970 01:40:35,542 --> 01:40:37,207 [vocalizing] 1971 01:40:49,708 --> 01:40:53,207 ♪ Gold on her finger ♪ 1972 01:40:53,207 --> 01:40:56,166 ♪ Giving her blisters ♪ 1973 01:40:56,166 --> 01:41:00,000 ♪ She don't look eager ♪ 1974 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,500 ♪ And he don't act younger ♪ 1975 01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:06,833 ♪ The first sin with thee ♪ 1976 01:41:06,833 --> 01:41:09,833 ♪ Equal as they'll be ♪ 1977 01:41:09,833 --> 01:41:13,667 ♪ Most of you ladies ♪ 1978 01:41:13,667 --> 01:41:15,750 ♪ Most of you ♪ 1979 01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:19,332 ♪ Frida ♪ 1980 01:41:19,332 --> 01:41:22,792 ♪ Your life's a miracle ♪ 1981 01:41:22,792 --> 01:41:25,667 ♪ And you are... ♪